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'The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo' aka 'Men who Hate Women'

Rii

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aka 'Män som hatar kvinnor'.

Like anyone else who's visited a bookstore of late, I was aware of the existence of Stieg Larsson's 'The Girl...' novels, but - perhaps on account of their usual proximity to the Twilight novels - I didn't bother to investigate.

Until, that is, I separately stumbled across over a matter of days the Foreign Policy article 'We're all Swedes now: how the world caught up with Stieg Larsson' (from which my current signature is derived) and Roger Ebert's four-star review of the Swedish film adaptation of 'The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo'.

The praise heaped by Ebert and others on Naomi Rapace's portrayal of Lisbeth contributed to my decision to check out the film adaptation ahead of the novel, and having done so I certainly don't regret that decision. It's a compelling film, albeit one that is, in parts, difficult to watch:

The forbidding island setting, the winter chill, the frosty inhabitants, all combine with dread suspicions to create an uncommonly effective thriller. It's longer than average, but not slow, not after we become invested in the depravity of the case. There are scenes involving rape, bondage and assault that are stronger than most of what serves in the movies for sexual violence, but these scenes are not exploitation.

Best shot? Lisbeth struggling to light a cigarette with trembling fingers following her rape at the hands of her 'Guardian'.

Best scene? Following a vaguely confrontational scene between Mikael and Lisbeth re: Martin's fate; Mikael's compassionate reconciliation and Lisbeth's whispered "thank you".

Most surprising? The sudden transition to rural Australia and having to adjust one's eyes to an entirely different colour pallette. :lol:

So for those who've seen both the film and the novel, is this the usual story of the novel being far superior to the film, or do the superb performances of Rapace et al. bring something to the table that the written word can't offer? I plan on getting to the other films and the novels in any case, but I'm interested to hear from those who've gone before me.

Incidentally, apparently there's a Hollywood adaptation in the works also, to which I can only say: blech. Hopefully it suffers the same fate as the planned 'Battle Royale' remake. :lol:
 
I read the book first and was part way through the third when I saw this one at the cinema. (Out of my family, opinion is divided on which the best novel is, but all were enjoyed)

I enjoyed the film (though parts were difficult to watch). As soon as it is out on dvd I plan on getting it. I also plan on seeing the two sequels as they arrive over here.

Naomi Rapoor does a good job as Lizbeth. For the US remake, I've been trying to think who they could have in her place and I'm just drawing a blank at the moment.
 
For the US remake, I've been trying to think who they could have in her place and I'm just drawing a blank at the moment.

Hah. I was about to say that Daniel Craig would make a good Blomkvist, thinking of his performance in Enduring Love; only I wasn't sure I was remembering the title correctly so I looked up his filmography on IMDb and guess who it has him listed as playing in The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo (2012)? :lol:

Apparently David Fincher is directing too. If this IMDb page isn't full of shit - which it may very well be, I can't be arsed doing the research myself - my interest in this upcoming American adaptation has increased significantly.
 
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I enjoyed the movie. Haven't read the book yet. I'm told all three books have been shot already. I'm hoping they see US releases.
 
I read the book and really liked it. It was a little long and the book should've ended about fifty pages before it did but it was an engaging and interesting read. I haven't seen the movies yet but plan to.
 
Hah. I was about to say that Daniel Craig would make a good Blomkvist, thinking of his performance in Enduring Love; only I wasn't sure I was remembering the title correctly so I looked up his filmography on IMDb and guess who it has him listed as playing in The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo (2012)? :lol:

Apparently David Fincher is directing too. If this IMDb page isn't full of shit - which it may very well be, I can't be arsed doing the research myself - my interest in this upcoming American adaptation has increased significantly.

Daniel Craig as Blomkvist. I can see that.

Carey Mulligan rumoured as Lizbeth? I've only seen her in Doctor Who and Public Enemies, but don't remember her in the latter.
 
I really wish Amazon would stop recommending this to me no matter what else I buy.

You bought "Bad Astromony", other people who bought this also bought...

You bought "Ninteen Eighty Four", other people who bought this also bought...

Hasn't it sold enough copies ?
 
Saw it on the recommendation of several friends, have yet to read the books.
Was not impressed if I'm honest, everything was a little too bleak and laid-back, even the acting performances. There is understated and there is the acting here where everyone seems to be on some particularly strong mood stabilisers. I wasn't expecting Harold Zoid style emoting but a little emotion wouldn't have gone amiss.
The shooting style and shot compositions moves between beautiful and bland and the plot seems to move incredibly slowly to the point of dragging in paces while others things happen so quick its difficult to follow.
As for the plot, well its sort of ok, I wasn't exactly blown away it could almost pass for a feature length pilot for some new crime procedural.
Will I watch the 2 sequels or the holywood remake? Possibly, but I wont be queuing for them on release day.
As for who could play Lisbeth, perhaps a little too old now, but 10 years ago, Fairuza Balk
 
I only read the third book, by chance, since I hadn't heard of the others. He's hellishly long-winded. I skimmed whole chunks of it. When he actually got down to storytelling it was a good story, albeit a bit predictable.
 
Anyone have info on the extent of the changes between the (Swedish) film and miniseries versions?
 
Saw this recently and I agree that Daniel Craig is a good choice for the lead.. Also drawing a blank on the girl.. Kristen Stewart might be too young, but would be interested to see her stretch her abilities.

I thought the movie was a bit long, and perhaps I need to read the book, but I found the "romance" angle completely unessessary. That said, the story was intriguing and I look forward to reading the next two books.. Such a shame the author died...
 
Checked out The Girl who Played with Fire (the film) and whilst it's a definite step down from its predecessor - with some of the more fantastical elements detracting from the otherwise hard tone of the film - it's reasonably satisfying on its own merits. Noomi Rapace's portrayal of Lisbeth is again the highlight of the affair (that's her in my new avatar) and I particularly appreciated that the film managed to continue the exploration of her past begun in The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo.

Hopefully the extended TV miniseries versions make it over here too.

and perhaps I need to read the book, but I found the "romance" angle completely unessessary.

If it was a romance I'd agree with you, but it wasn't. The sex for Lisbeth was purely mechanical; and Blomkvist for his part seems to realise that. What develops later is less about love than trust. In Blomkvist, Lisbeth has found someone - a man, no less - whom she can trust. And Blomkvist cares for her not as a female, but as a human being. It's just the kind of guy he is.

What got me is just how much female interest Blomkvist attracts in this dark, subdued, and not at all romantic film, period. In addition to Lisbeth there's the woman at Millenium and also that member of the Vanger family. :lol:
 
I really wish Amazon would stop recommending this to me no matter what else I buy.

You bought "Bad Astromony", other people who bought this also bought...

You bought "Ninteen Eighty Four", other people who bought this also bought...

Hasn't it sold enough copies ?

Yeah. They were doing the same thing with Avatar for a while. (Maybe they still are. I dunno. It's been a couple months.)
 
What's kind of interesting is that the relationship in the film is essentially set up for the two sequels - which take a left turn to say the least. It's an interesting red herring set up to the true intent of the trilogy anyhow.
 
Sorry this is one of those times when some kind of cultural phenomenon has raised up and I am COMPLETELY unaware of it(same thing happened a few months ago when I saw "I Love You Man" and they made a big deal of some band called "Rush" which I had NEVER heard of.....apparently it's EVERYBODY'S favourite band and, I swear to God, I have NEVER heard of it).

Now, please forgive my ignorance and I am NOT being facetious but is this in ANY way related to "The Girl With The Pearl Earring" or whatever?

Is this some kind of series?

I have NO idea what it is.
 
Sorry this is one of those times when some kind of cultural phenomenon has raised up and I am COMPLETELY unaware of it(same thing happened a few months ago when I saw "I Love You Man" and they made a big deal of some band called "Rush" which I had NEVER heard of.....apparently it's EVERYBODY'S favourite band and, I swear to God, I have NEVER heard of it).

Now, please forgive my ignorance and I am NOT being facetious but is this in ANY way related to "The Girl With The Pearl Earring" or whatever?

Is this some kind of series?

I have NO idea what it is.

As someone who doesn't follow modern literature, I'm in the same boat. It's a trilogy and the English titles are:

The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo
The Girl Who Played With Fire
The Girl Who Kicked The Hornet's Nest

The Girl with the Pearl Earring is another unrelated film (although, wow, look at that name).

The reason why the books/films are titled like that in English is probably because they wanted to sell the fact that it's a trilogy about one of the main characters - Lisbeth - rather than a single book about a murder case and a duology that then follows up on the Lisbeth's history. It's why they renamed the first book to be more in line with the titles of the second and third books.
 
Thank you.

The weird thing is, I went to my VERY first convention last weekend(yeah, forty, a SF fan and it was MY FIRST con!)and this girl passed me with a "The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo" t-shirt on and for the last bloody week that has been plaguing me that it MUST have something to do with that "pearl earring" film....and then I suddenly see THIS thread and I am like......WTF IS THIS NEW THING?!?!


You know what it's like when suddenly something appears and EVERYBODY knows about it and it feels like you are THE LAST person? It's weird.


And seriously, I had NEVER heard if this Rush band until I saw that film. And I don't like under a rock in Moldavia or ina cave in Upper Uzbekistan. NEVER. HEARD. OF. THEM.


I am STILL not convinced they are not a Spinal Tap type thing and not real.
 
Incidentally, apparently there's a Hollywood adaptation in the works also, to which I can only say: blech. Hopefully it suffers the same fate as the planned 'Battle Royale' remake. :lol:

So if the Swedes decide to remake American films, I trust you won't be blanching as you did above?:vulcan:
 
That'd depend upon what the film was and other *gasp* contextual factors. American sensibilities are all wrong for this sort of thing.
 
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