Felt more like it was the end of one chapter and soon the start of another.
I wonder if they would consider ending the "Silence will fall" and big bad arc at the halfway point of the series.
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Felt more like it was the end of one chapter and soon the start of another.
I wonder if they would consider ending the "Silence will fall" and big bad arc at the halfway point of the series.
My head hurts!
But in a good way!
Once again Moffat gives us a second part that is very different to the first. Took me a few minutes to acclimatise but once I did it was brilliant. My girlfriend thinks I'm a smart arse now for getting the something old something new something borrowed something blue bit
I love that the dying Doctor told his earlier self to basically use the others to keep the Dalek busy
Whether the great and good used to RTDs sledgehammer approach (which wasn't always without merit) will like this is one thing, but I did.
I'm glad he lose the fez though...
And is it just me, but love Amy though I do, I feelr Rory deserves better! Two thousand years and she's still trying to snog the Doctor! Have to say that Rory has really grown on me so glad he'll still be around for a while.
But in a good way!
Once again Moffat gives us a second part that is very different to the first. Took me a few minutes to acclimatise but once I did it was brilliant. My girlfriend thinks I'm a smart arse now for getting the something old something new something borrowed something blue bit
I love that the dying Doctor told his earlier self to basically use the others to keep the Dalek busy
Whether the great and good used to RTDs sledgehammer approach (which wasn't always without merit) will like this is one thing, but I did.
I'm glad he lose the fez though...
And is it just me, but love Amy though I do, I feelr Rory deserves better! Two thousand years and she's still trying to snog the Doctor! Have to say that Rory has really grown on me so glad he'll still be around for a while.
I understand that they're not expecting much from it. In fact I'm sure last week someone said it would fall.
(*Oh, how nice of you to get my coat. And that's the door over there is it?*)
Nope...and yes I agree that the episode felt like a it wrapped up this series and sets the stage for the next one nicely. I also loved the shot of River walking past the reception hall window and the small smirk or wink she gives Amy as Amy catches her. In fact i wasn't bothered at all by the "power of love" it's not any different than the Tenth Doctor being regenerated/deaged by the collective power of humanity's thought back in "Last of the Time Lords". I think both RTD and Moffat have played around with the concept of pure thought or concept as a true power in the universe.
Loved it! So much better than the lame fanwanks we got every season of the reboot up until this season.
I thought it was a pretty good use of time travel, too... which is shockingly rare in a show about time travel.
I did notice three problems, though, and only one of them can be written off as an "alternate universe" version.
1. Amy shouldn't have been able to touch Amelia without BadThings(tm) happening.
2. Ditto for the Doctor touching himself. (Hmm, could have phrased that better...)
3. When the Doctor snatched a pamphlet to write the message to Amy, he snagged a new one from the present rather than reusing the one he originally gave Amelia. Since that results in a loop, he'd eventually run out of pamphlets and would have to start recycling, which he didn't do, which mean he didn't, even though he'd eventually have to despite not needing to, which results in a pretty big paradox. Hell, just typing that made me head explode.
Aside from that, I thought it put together really well. The only thing I would have changed was having Rory figure out how to use the (dropped) sonic screwdriver on his own to open the Pandorica. The Doctor telling him how to do it without having any way of telling him how to do it was another big weak point... but I really don't care. Still loved it.
So very happy we have the Moff at the helm now.
I thought it was a pretty good use of time travel, too... which is shockingly rare in a show about time travel.
I did notice three problems, though, and only one of them can be written off as an "alternate universe" version.1. Amy shouldn't have been able to touch Amelia without BadThings(tm) happening.
2. Ditto for the Doctor touching himself. (Hmm, could have phrased that better...)
3. When the Doctor snatched a pamphlet to write the message to Amy, he snagged a new one from the present rather than reusing the one he originally gave Amelia. Since that results in a loop, he'd eventually run out of pamphlets and would have to start recycling, which he didn't do, which mean he didn't, even though he'd eventually have to despite not needing to, which results in a pretty big paradox. Hell, just typing that made me head explode.
Aside from that, I thought it put together really well. The only thing I would have changed was having Rory figure out how to use the (dropped) sonic screwdriver on his own to open the Pandorica. The Doctor telling him how to do it without having any way of telling him how to do it was another big weak point... but I really don't care. Still loved it.
So very happy we have the Moff at the helm now.
I really enjoyed the episode. Wouldn't it be something if in addition to bringing the universe back they really restored the universe and theTimelords are back as well?
Wow. That was the craziest thing I have ever seen. Totally gobsmacked here! Matt Smith was totally amazing. 
One thing I kept watching for to happen that didn't though - River was wearing her vortex manipulator when she was on the TARDIS at the end of the last episode. How did the Doctor get it??
Did they ever say what happened to Rory after the fire? Since that was one of the things the Doctor told him to avoid, I assumed he melted. How did he survive and where did he go?
One thing I kept watching for to happen that didn't though - River was wearing her vortex manipulator when she was on the TARDIS at the end of the last episode. How did the Doctor get it??
Did they ever say what happened to Rory after the fire? Since that was one of the things the Doctor told him to avoid, I assumed he melted. How did he survive and where did he go?
Oh my YES!!Oh forgot to say Matt Smith in that suit...Looking good
Boy did he ever.
In "The Eleventh Hour," when the Doctor is talking to Amy at the end, he notes as significant the fact that after "all these years, living here most of your life, and you've still got that [Scottish] accent." I think the implication here is that Amy deliberately kept the accent as an act of rebellion, as opposed to letting it fade, perhaps like her parents did.
I don't know the effect of England on a Scottish person's accent, but for people (including Scottish people) who come to southern Ontario at least, after a few decades their accents tend to become more Central Canadian, unless they deliberately attempt to preserve their accents.
Mind you, if Amelia remembers moving from Scotland to England when she was seven, it means that she probably couldn't have moved before she was 4 or 5 (otherwise she wouldn't remember Scotland). So her parents would only have been in England for maybe 18 years (assuming Amy is 21 when she gets married), which is perhaps a little soon for an accent to fade that much.
What. A. Mindfuck. AWESOME!!
Once again, Moffat comes through like a champ. Delivering a solid, intelligent, brain-melting, EPIC finale, he has cemented his spot in the iconography of Doctor Who. And Matt Smith consistently tops himself in every scene. Damn awesome! But, I'm still working it out in my head as to what the FUCK just happened?!
Loved that Rory is sticking around. I wonder if he's still plastic? I'd love it if Rory were the Auton "badass" companion! Didn't he say something about being plastic, right when he remembered who The Doctor was?
The idea of him guarding Amy for 2000 years was badass, and really gives him a new angle for Moffat to work with. He's ancient like The Doctor now, which is probably what turns Amy on.
Smith looked awesome in the tux. He's obviously a slight clothes-horse, akin to Pertwee. Karen Gillan was smoking, as was River's milfy self.
And I REALLY loved that they didn't resolve the whole "Big Bad"/The Silence yet. The over-arcing seasons reminds me of Davison's era in a way. But, his just linked episodes within the season. I don't remember if ANY Doctor Who era had overlapping, multi-seasonal arc. It gives it a novel approach. I like new things.
10/10. I officially love Doctor Who. Still.
Once again, Moffat comes through like a champ. Delivering a solid, intelligent, brain-melting, EPIC finale, he has cemented his spot in the iconography of Doctor Who. And Matt Smith consistently tops himself in every scene. Damn awesome! But, I'm still working it out in my head as to what the FUCK just happened?!
Loved that Rory is sticking around. I wonder if he's still plastic? I'd love it if Rory were the Auton "badass" companion! Didn't he say something about being plastic, right when he remembered who The Doctor was?
The idea of him guarding Amy for 2000 years was badass, and really gives him a new angle for Moffat to work with. He's ancient like The Doctor now, which is probably what turns Amy on.
Smith looked awesome in the tux. He's obviously a slight clothes-horse, akin to Pertwee. Karen Gillan was smoking, as was River's milfy self.
And I REALLY loved that they didn't resolve the whole "Big Bad"/The Silence yet. The over-arcing seasons reminds me of Davison's era in a way. But, his just linked episodes within the season. I don't remember if ANY Doctor Who era had overlapping, multi-seasonal arc. It gives it a novel approach. I like new things.
10/10. I officially love Doctor Who. Still.
I forgot to add in my post that I thought Alex looked outstanding in her outfit...the poofy arctic coat with the Lara Croft type pants and her holster!!! Wooot. Oh yeah lol.
I really wish Voyager's writers would remember that point, ie those annoying Captain Braxton episodes. Or Generations with Soran. Leave it to Doctor Who to show us how time travel's really done.
Indeed. I love that for a change, we have an arc that's much more planned out, and that Moffat isn't afraid to take his time with the arc. We're just used to instantly gratifying finales that sometimes we miss the big picture, or don't want a bigger picture.
Loved it! So much better than the lame fanwanks we got every season of the reboot up until this season.
I thought it was a pretty good use of time travel, too... which is shockingly rare in a show about time travel.
1. Amy shouldn't have been able to touch Amelia without BadThings(tm) happening.
2. Ditto for the Doctor touching himself. (Hmm, could have phrased that better...)
3. When the Doctor snatched a pamphlet to write the message to Amy, he snagged a new one from the present rather than reusing the one he originally gave Amelia. Since that results in a loop, he'd eventually run out of pamphlets and would have to start recycling, which he didn't do, which mean he didn't, even though he'd eventually have to despite not needing to, which results in a pretty big paradox. Hell, just typing that made me head explode.
Good points, but I imagine that the Reapers themselves would be one of the first races to go, if time was being erased and they're amongst the most time-sensitive creatures in the universe.
Just a theory, though. Feel free to poke it with a stick.
I kind of doubt it... Amy brought the Doctor back from the crack, she probably brought Rory back, since he was absorbed as well.
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Just a few points of (my) interest
-- Yet another call back to the 1st doctor in this episode (mentioning the theft of the TARDIS). There's got to be something behind that, seems like 1's got a lot of love this year. The "something borrowed, etc" wedding-rhyme easily describes the TARDIS. Again, a lot of focus on the old-girl this year.
-- I wonder if the doctor really was expecting to be saved, or if it was a bit of a surprise in the end.
-- Yet another call back to the 1st doctor in this episode (mentioning the theft of the TARDIS). There's got to be something behind that, seems like 1's got a lot of love this year. The "something borrowed, etc" wedding-rhyme easily describes the TARDIS. Again, a lot of focus on the old-girl this year.
-- I wonder if the doctor really was expecting to be saved, or if it was a bit of a surprise in the end.
There was a sense that he gave up; he decided to stop traveling back along his own personal timeline, and he evinces surprise that Amy remembered enough of him to pull him back across into the new timeline.
This is going to be so cool, a universe where the Doctor didn't exist.
We saw in "Turn Left" a universe where the Doctor didn't exist. Who saved the Earth (and all those other worlds) from all the baddies he's defeated in the last 900 years?This is going to be so cool, a universe where the Doctor didn't exist.
There was a sense that he gave up; he decided to stop traveling back along his own personal timeline, and he evinces surprise that Amy remembered enough of him to pull him back across into the new timeline.
This is going to be so cool, a universe where the Doctor didn't exist.
Which if they stick too, means that "11" is now, from the POV of Amy-Verse, "1". Wonder if he got a reset on his regenerations too?
Except the Doctor did exist in that universe; he just happened to be dead when the shit hit the fan.We saw in "Turn Left" a universe where the Doctor didn't exist. Who saved the Earth (and all those other worlds) from all the baddies he's defeated in the last 900 years?This is going to be so cool, a universe where the Doctor didn't exist.
There is the school of thought in pre-2005 fandom that it was the Doctor's existence that drew out all the baddies and endangered Earth on a nigh-regular basis. Without the Doctor, that lightning rod would be removed. Moffat is old-school enough he might find favor with that theory. This doesn't apply to "Turn Left" because the Doctor already existed, hence the lightning rod would exist, so alien intelligences would have already had their eye on Earth.
Dude, I live Down Under. Do you think I've seen interviews, magazines, etc? While also trying to avoid spoilers? Gimme a break!