Female Condom Unveiled For World Cup

[Miss Chicken]

"Looking for sex" is not the same as looking to rape someone.

 

[Jetfire]

Yes how a person dresses and carries themselves matters...but it doesn't excuse the act of another toward that person...if the act is in fact criminal. People need to respect one another and themselves. No we do not live in a Disney fairytale...but the lack of respect by some people toward others...especially if it becomes criminal shouldn't be acceptable in our society.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

This would be a great time to invent a personal force field. Somebody gets too close and ZAP!!

Okay, back to this condom thing. I'm going to *guess* that this thing has been tested on men - who, I hope, have been VERY WELL PAID for their efforts - and that as the inventor claims, it doesn't cause permanent damage (and that, once they do get to a doctor, it can be easily removed). So I think I'm okay with it. Its potential for abuse can be mitigated by simply trusting one's partner, and we guys should just not be going out with someone who we think might use this against us maliciously.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

i have had words with my mum on this also my daughter they both agree that the way a woman dresses can attract a person who is looking for sex.

Evebn the way a person dances can atract the same thing.

Rape is not like normal sexual attraction. It is about power and preying on the vulnerable. The man (or woman) who would rape someone would do so regardless of what the victim is wearing. Elderly women in wheelchairs have been raped by young men. Attractiveness of the victim is not a priority to the rapist, it's whether they can get away with it, and how much pain, shame, and feeling of loss of control they can inflict on their target.

To think that if you dress more conservatively you're protecting yourself from a potential rape is not only offensive but dangerous for giving a false impression of safety where it doesn't exist.

 

[Angela 0077]

Yes how a person dresses and carries themselves matters...but it doesn't excuse the act of another toward that person...if the act is in fact criminal. People need to respect one another and themselves. No we do not live in a Disney fairytale...but the lack of respect by some people toward others...especially if it becomes criminal shouldn't be acceptable in our society.

geez thanyou.
That is what l have been saying all a long that the way a person presents them selves does matter.
the way a person dances is the same too

I am not saying that a rapit is going to come up and rape but it does help to to be careful of one self against some men
they do get ideas if you are not careful also there are very good men out there too

 

[Angela 0077]

Yes l know it is about power but it can be about other things too.
What people watch on tv which there are alot of things late on tv where you ring women up for sex.
There are terrible dvds which some men think that women are like this but they are not.
Things that have happened in a persons past can make a person turn.

Have any of you read true crime books by Ann Rule there are a few stories about this type of thing and she was a former police woman and the things she has seen is terrible
She is always saying to women to be careful too
i am not saying all men are rapists and there are good men out there who would not harm a woman
i just wanted to put some facts down but l still want people to have there own say too.

 

[sidious618]

Rape is not like normal sexual attraction. It is about power and preying on the vulnerable. The man (or woman) who would rape someone would do so regardless of what the victim is wearing. Elderly women in wheelchairs have been raped by young men. Attractiveness of the victim is not a priority to the rapist, it's whether they can get away with it, and how much pain, shame, and feeling of loss of control they can inflict on their target.

To think that if you dress more conservatively you're protecting yourself from a potential rape is not only offensive but dangerous for giving a false impression of safety where it doesn't exist.

This is very important to note and cannot be repeated enough. Rape is about power, not orgasm. Some rapists don't even orgasm.

 

[Guartho]

Stop derailing this one with unrelated comments. You aren't a mod and you don't get to dictate policy or what is allowed to be said here. Stop trying.

[Stewie]Thank you.[/stewie]

If you have a complaint, notify a moderator rather than responding yourself.

 

[Jetfire]

And there is this...

A bizarre belief among many African black men that sex with a virgin -- even a child or baby -- can cure HIV/AIDS is fueling what is already one of the highest child sexual exploitation rates in the world.

According to the latest report by South Africa's Police Service, children are the victims of 41 percent of all rapes and attempted rapes reported in the country. Over 15 percent of all reported rapes are against children under 11, and another 26 percent against children 12-17. For the year 2000, some 58 children were raped or the victims of rape attempts in South Africa every single day.

Link

 

[donners22]

I wonder if people realise how vastly in the minority rapes by strangers are.

It just always seems odd when people make generalisations about rape and rapists, and are really speaking about a minority of cases.

 

[O'Dib]

My ex once talked a rapist down in South Africa and managed to escape. He was going on about never having had a white woman. Anyway, in this particular country, I think vigilantism would be a better deterrent.

 

[SiorX]

I wonder if people realise how vastly in the minority rapes by strangers are.

It just always seems odd when people make generalisations about rape and rapists, and are really speaking about a minority of cases.

A point that's always worth coming back to.

David Lisak has done some really interesting work on rapists' accounts of their own method. He's written a lot about how focussing on what the victim did wrong/ how the victim incited the rape breeds a culture where we let predators off the hook.

You can read one of his shorter papers here.

For the linkphobic, I've picked out a few quotes from his research, and his review of others' research.

Perhaps the most sobering data that have emerged from the study ofincarcerated rapists are the sheer numbers of victims attacked by the average rapist. Most rapists who are prosecuted are convicted on a single count of rape. However, when researchers have granted immunity to offenders in exchange for truthful accounting of their sex offending history the reality of rape emerges. In one study, the average number of victims for each rapist was seven, and inanother study it was 11.

t is questionable whether it is advisable to apply specific victim-category labels to an offender. Multiple studies have now documented that between 33% and 66% of rapists have also sexually attacked children; that up to 82% of child molesters have also sexually attacked adults; and that between 50% and 66% of incest offenders have also sexually attacked children outside their families.

Many of the motivational factors that were identified in incarcerated rapists have been shown to apply equally to undetected rapists. When compared to men who do not rape, these undetected rapists are measurably more angry at women, more motivated by the need to dominate and control women, more impulsive and disinhibited in their behavior, more hyper-masculine in their beliefs and attitudes, less empathic and more antisocial.

In the course of 20 years of interviewing these undetected rapists, in both research and forensic settings, it has been possible for me to distill some of the common characteristics of the modus operandi of these sex offenders. These undetected rapists:
• are extremely adept at identifying “likely” victims, and testing prospective victims’ boundaries;
• plan and premeditate their attacks, using sophisticated strategies to groom their victims for attack, and to isolate them physically;
• use “instrumental” not gratuitous violence; they exhibit strong impulse control and use only as much violence as is needed to terrify and coerce their victims into submission;
• use psychological weapons – power, control, manipulation, and threats –backed up by physical force, and almost never resort to weapons such as knives or guns;
• use alcohol deliberately to render victims more vulnerable to attack, or completely unconscious.

They are accurately and appropriately labeled as predators.

Any time you generalise about rape, there are specific cases which will not fit, but as generalisations go these studies are far more useful than the usual myths. Rape's not caused by getting a nice guy so worked up they he Hulks out. Rapists rape. And they choose their victims for their vulnerability, not their age, clothes, or sexual attractiveness.

Of course, rapists don't spontaneously appear from the aether. They also don't commit their crimes in a vacuum - they work within cultural climates which enable them by perpetuating victim-blaming myths.

 

[cubbie]

Claiming that how a woman behaves or dresses and is the instigator of the rape is like saying a child in a playground is the instigator of a pedophile attack. The child should have known better than to behave like a child.

 

[Hermiod]

Yes l know it is about power but it can be about other things too.
What people watch on tv which there are alot of things late on tv where you ring women up for sex.

No there aren't. There are daft TV channels where guys call up women who then pretend to do things for them on screen. It's hardly the same thing. You're not calling them up for sex.

I sincerely hope that your aren't equating, however, prostitution with rape. No civilised man would engage the services of a prostitutes if they knew they weren't doing it willingly.

There are terrible dvds which some men think that women are like this but they are not.

That's called porn and the vast majority of men aren't dumb enough to think that sex is anything like that. It's a masturbatory aid.

Women have masturbatory aids which are even less realistic.

i am not saying all men are rapists and there are good men out there who would not harm a woman

This is the default. You might not be saying otherwise, but there are plenty of people who will disagree with you. Too many people who slander half the population based on little more than their own personal experience.

 

[Teelie]

Claiming that how a woman behaves or dresses and is the instigator of the rape is like saying a child in a playground is the instigator of a pedophile attack. The child should have known better than to behave like a child.

I don't think anyone has said that except Angela 007 who was thoroughly disagreed with by everyone else, although a lot of people have inserted this assumption that others have.

And I agree with Hermiod that too many people default to "men are pigs" and don't see anything wrong with it. However any slight against women is considered sexist.

 

[Angela 0077]

Rape is not like normal sexual attraction. It is about power and preying on the vulnerable. The man (or woman) who would rape someone would do so regardless of what the victim is wearing. Elderly women in wheelchairs have been raped by young men. Attractiveness of the victim is not a priority to the rapist, it's whether they can get away with it, and how much pain, shame, and feeling of loss of control they can inflict on their target.

To think that if you dress more conservatively you're protecting yourself from a potential rape is not only offensive but dangerous for giving a false impression of safety where it doesn't exist.

This is very important to note and cannot be repeated enough. Rape is about power, not orgasm. Some rapists don't even orgasm.

But in some cases they do they do leave sperm and if they do you can find the person who raped the woman
Have any of you heard of Ted Bundy he was a serial rapist and the things he did was terrible
Ann Rule actaully met him before he commited the rape crimes
She was helping poeple and he was too with problems.
They would council these people.
She said he was a nice bloke and she never thought he would resort to what he did.
Some men can be as nice as pie and you wouldnt think some people would commit a crime because they got on with everybody.

 

[Angela 0077]

There are channels on my tv that have these ads
This is every channel after 11.30pm.
They get more expicit as it gets later on in the night

 

[sidious618]

I honestly have no idea where you're going with this.

Edit: I'm not trying to be rude; I just don't understand.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Yeah, you lost me, Angela. What does that have to do with the original discussion?

 

[Angela 0077]

Geez sorry Locutus Of Bored.
I know you were not being rude to me sidous618
You are asking a qestion on what l wrote.

That is okay
I am talking about ads that are shown on tv after 11.30 pm in australia it detailes where a man can ring a woman for sex

Do you think this type of thing can intice the wrong person to rape a woman

you are proberly right that this should bnt be in the discussion l have to say it is way out too.