But Data was also programmed with ethical subroutines and a system that would allow him to adapt to the principals of whatever culture he ended up in
Data is a sociopath
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But Data was also programmed with ethical subroutines and a system that would allow him to adapt to the principals of whatever culture he ended up in
Which is what I was trying to say.
I didn't mean that Asberger's means you have no emotions, but rather that Data's lack of emotions (arguable) produces behavior similar to that of someone with Asberger's.
Sorry for being unclear.
Perhaps...
"Asperger's Syndrome" as its known doesn't account for very much of Data's behaviour, we know that Data is 60% Logic and 40% Experience compared to the 50% Emotion and 50% Experience (which also covers Logic) of say someone like Picard
Fair enough, on occasions Data may act like he has an Autistic Spectrum Disorder, eg, not understanding humor, being intellectually gifted and communicating in robotic overtones
However Data is unique in the respect that he had no emotions until he was around 40 years of age, he was also unique in the respect that he could turn his emotion chip on and off, thus experimenting with emotions while maintaining his logical way of thinking, just because he has emotions, it doesn't mean he knows how to use them
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Guys, he deactivated his own brother, that was cold. Also I feel Lore had so much misspent potential. He was clearly as intelligent as Data but had some form of ADHD which stopped him from realizing it. He was a nice person, just a bit screwed up, if Soong had programmed him better he could have been a mischievous pranskter instead of a deranged psychobot.
A 'nice person' you say? Might be a little off the mark there. Lore makes three appearances in TNG. In Datalore his sole aim is to kill everyone on the Enterprise by turning them over to the Crystalline Entity for it's snack time. Next he shows up in Brothers, steals the emotion chip made for Data, and all but kills Soong. Then there's Descent. He lures Data with emotions, dissables his ethics program and turns him into one of his goons. Once he finds Picard & Co., his plan is to kill them by having Data run 'experiments' on them.
Sounds like a real peach of a guy to me. Not.
Edit: Almost forgot. He was the one that lured the Crystalline Entity to Omicron Theta so it could wipe out the colonists and all life on the planet.
Sounds like a real peach of a guy to me. Not.
Edit: Almost forgot. He was the one that lured the Crystalline Entity to Omicron Theta so it could wipe out the colonists and all life on the planet.
Ok first of all, Lore had no form of ADHD...
1.) ADHD is a human condition (Lore is an Android)
2.) Lore remained completely in control of himself (he displayed no traits of hyperactivity, his attention didn't ever sway away from the task at hand, except when he was pretending that he was limited in knowledge during "Datalore")
3.) Lore was not deranged or psycho, rather his values and ideals were extreme to the point where he believed he was better than everyone else (Superiority Complex) which was further highlighted in "Descent Parts 1 and 2"
4.) Data deactivated Lore because he was too dangerous to be left active, even in a confined environment, someone with Data's level of intelligence and resourcefulness could eventually find a way to escape, Lore did indeed have the level of intellect that Data had, perhaps even more...(after all Lore had the benefit of Emotional Intelligence from his initial activation) (Lore for instance discovered a way to communicate with the Crystalline Entity, something which took Data several years to accomplish and even then it was only theoretical until he combined his research with Dr Marr)
5) In relation to Data's percieved "Coldness" - Data has no emotions, he has only his ethical subroutines, logic, the cultural values of the Federation and his friends/colleagues and his Starfleet experience to guide him in making decisions, he has no emotional gravities when making decisions. He does things almost always by the book (which led La Forge and Wesley to come to the conclusion that Data was still alive in "The Most Toys")
The thing is, they still didn't need to deactivate Lore, but rather merely decapitate him. Then they could've put him in the Head Museum in New New York.
I always wonder how intellectually gifted Data was. In a grave misstep, they actually stated that he was capable of 60 trillion operations per second--the problem being that current thinking is that humans are estimated to be capable of about ten times that, iirc.
I guess we can fudge that by assuming that 90% of the work of the human brain is chaff--although that snags on the fact that a surprising amount goes to environmental concerns like balance, and Data is shown to be physically masterful. But anyway we can assume Data only needs the wheat.
Still, it would explain some of his bizarre, borderline-mentally-handicapped moments like spouting off synonyms to words unbidden and his weird failures to understand idiom.
But personally, I sometimes suspect he was dicking with us for seven straight years. I think he was trying to see if humans were capable of unconditional respect of intelligence, without an emotional return, and we were all his guinea pigs.
I always wonder how intellectually gifted Data was. In a grave misstep, they actually stated that he was capable of 60 trillion operations per second--the problem being that current thinking is that humans are estimated to be capable of about ten times that, iirc.
I guess we can fudge that by assuming that 90% of the work of the human brain is chaff--although that snags on the fact that a surprising amount goes to environmental concerns like balance, and Data is shown to be physically masterful. But anyway we can assume Data only needs the wheat.
Still, it would explain some of his bizarre, borderline-mentally-handicapped moments like spouting off synonyms to words unbidden and his weird failures to understand idiom.
But personally, I sometimes suspect he was dicking with us for seven straight years. I think he was trying to see if humans were capable of unconditional respect of intelligence, without an emotional return, and we were all his guinea pigs.
If one were to hold Data to human social standards, then Lore was definitely a sociopath than Data given his blatant disregard for biological life. Prior to Crosis's manipulations, Data seemed genuinely worried that he expressed pleasure over the death of a Borg drone. Lore planned on using the Crystalline Entity to destroy the Enterprise without much of a second thought. Data was capable of remorse even if he did not have emotions. And he would never ever use his super strength in this manner. Lon Suder, on the other hand, seemed to have little or no emotional response to having murdered a crewmate.
Data was not a "sociopath". He just had difficulty in relating to human behaviour and social situations becasue he was an android without emotions. But as people have already said- he had an in built ethical programme and he never meant anybody any harm.........he just got the wrong end of the stick a good few times!
About that Fajo guy and all...
It was one of the rare times I stopped to think about that episode. After seeing that ep, I thought that Data's action was human. I mean...wasn't it? There was nothing sosiopathic about shooting the guy who had captured him.
And by that I'm not saying it's the right thing to do! But it's the human thing to do. 'Human instinct' or whatever it's called...
It was one of the rare times I stopped to think about that episode. After seeing that ep, I thought that Data's action was human. I mean...wasn't it? There was nothing sosiopathic about shooting the guy who had captured him.
And by that I'm not saying it's the right thing to do! But it's the human thing to do. 'Human instinct' or whatever it's called...
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