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NHL Discussion - 2009-2010 Season

Any thoughts on Eric Lindros not making the hall of fame on the first ballot? Sure he didn't win a championship and was plagued by injuries during his career, but, when healthy, he was one of the most dominant players around (and probably my favorite).
 
Any thoughts on Eric Lindros not making the hall of fame on the first ballot? Sure he didn't win a championship and was plagued by injuries during his career, but, when healthy, he was one of the most dominant players around (and probably my favorite).

Lindros played more than 60 games in only seven of his thirteen seasons (but we'll toss 94-95, due to the lockout, so seven of twelve), and while he was a very good -- sometimes dominant -- player when healthy, people don't get inducted into the Hall of Fame based on potential. They are inducted based on achievements. The way I see it, Lindros just wasn't good enough for a long enough period of time.

He's also a dick and a crybaby ... not that this should affect his Hall eligibility, I just don't like him.

Really, Danny99 is right -- the far more egregious oversight is Pat fucking Burns, especially when there probably isn't a "next year" for him.
 
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I'm not getting the Wickenheiser hate? :confused:

I lost a lot of respect for her during the 2002 Olympics and her Americans having the Canadian flag on the floor interview. She went at it like a pitbull with no proof of the allegations and was a national embarrassment.

She has also done nothing for the women's game in terms of help growing it. Women's hockey in every country besides Canada and the United States is in such dire straights that the consideration of taking away it's Olympic status is a very real possibility. Instead of being an ambassador for her sport and trying to assist in those countries, she is more concerned with proving she can play along side men in Finnish and Swedish leagues.

Hopefully the Hall will take more factors than her skill level into consideration when they come to induct her.
Fair enough. I'm a fan, but I do tend to agree with you about the being an ambassador for her sport point. It would be awful to see women's hockey booted out of the Olympics, just awful.

So this just in, from Sportsnet:

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/trade/2010/06/23/blackhawks_thrashers_trade/

To Atlanta: ButtfuckinUglyien, Sopel, Eager, Aliu
To Chicago: Reasoner, Morin, 1st round pick, 2nd round pick

Man, Chicago is just going to continue to be stacked with young talent for years to come.
 
So this just in, from Sportsnet:

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/trade/2010/06/23/blackhawks_thrashers_trade/

To Atlanta: ButtfuckinUglyien, Sopel, Eager, Aliu
To Chicago: Reasoner, Morin, 1st round pick, 2nd round pick

Man, Chicago is just going to continue to be stacked with young talent for years to come.

So Chicago gets a third-line guy, two reasonably high picks (24th and 54th overall) and a pretty good prospect for what amounts to a good playoff series by a 3rd liner, a goon who sucks at fighting, and a less-expensive Jay McKee. They now have five picks in the first two rounds.

The Hawks are dumping $5 million in salary, taking on $1 million, so they're under the cap now, and they can still try to dump Huet and maybe Versteeg and actually start re-signing some players. Hell of a move for Stan Bowman, considering that he got the team out of cap hell and he didn't need to give up Sharp or Kopecky.

Don't get me wrong, Byfuglien is a good guy to have on your team, and I'm sad to see him go, but he had one hell of a playoffs and he's going to be looking for a mega payday, and some GM is going to overpay him pretty heavily.
 
Tough trade for Hawks fans as big Buff was a crowd favorite. Now if they can only get rid of Huet. Lots of picks means good chances for the future or future trades for established players. Maybe package Heut with one of the picks to unload him. Cya Buff thanks for the cup.
 
Byfuglien is a crowd favorite, yeah, but outside of a killer playoffs this year, he's proven over the last few seasons that he just doesn't show up to play every night. He'll score 35 points a year and be a major annoyance to any defenseman who weighs less than 220 pounds, but he's not a good skater and basically works exclusively in front of the net. Reasoner's basically the same player, minus the clutch goals in the playoffs, so that part of the trade is a wash for the Blackhawks.

Sure, Byfuglien will show up in the playoffs ... but who sees Atlanta going to the playoffs anytime soon?
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Ouch.

ESPN Radio 1000 in Chicago got Dustin Byfuglien on the phone yesterday afternoon, and when asked how he felt about being traded to Atlanta, he said, "What trade?"

He had to cut off the interview about 30 seconds later, because his agent was on the other line.

:(
 
Hahahaha! The Atlanta hockey hinterlands couldn't have happened to a "nicer" guy. Enjoy grandstanding to empty seats, mon ami. The aborted interview is just icing on the cake.
 
Other than beating the Sharks like crap in the postseason, what is wrong with Dustin Byfuglien again?
 
I think part of the Byfuglien hate is the sense that the NHL/TSN/CBC troika went to work reinventing him: he was a thug who played a thug's game, and the league not only allowed it, it pretended he was a skilled, clean player. I've always disliked Pronger, but seeing Pronger keep the bully label while Byfuglien played the same way (but not as well, over all), really burned me. I'm getting tired of being told by the league what to think we can see and hear things for myself. And Pronger, at least, is funny.
 
I think part of the Byfuglien hate is the sense that the NHL/TSN/CBC troika went to work reinventing him: he was a thug who played a thug's game, and the league not only allowed it, it pretended he was a skilled, clean player. I've always disliked Pronger, but seeing Pronger keep the bully label while Byfuglien played the same way (but not as well, over all), really burned me. I'm getting tired of being told by the league what to think we can see and hear things for myself. And Pronger, at least, is funny.
Agreed.

Speaking about funny, did anyone catch this last night:

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I take it back, actually; the Blackhawks are still in a particularly unpleasant level of salary cap hell. Here are their lines, with cap numbers (* indicating a restricted free agent):

Toews ($6.3 million) / Kane ($6.3 million) / Hossa ($5.275 million)
Sharp ($3.9 million) / Bolland ($3.375 million) / Versteeg ($3.083 million)
*Skille ($1.275 million) / Kopecky ($1.2 million) / Beach ($1.171 million)
Reasoner ($1.15 million) / Brouwer ($1.025 million) / *Bickell ($0.650m)

And the defensive pairings:

Campbell ($7.143 million) (
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Seabrook ($3.5 million) / *Hjalmarsson ($2.75 million)
Connelly ($0.875 million) / * Hendry ($0.7 million)

Goalies:

Huet buyout ($2.813 million) or stuff him in the minors / *Niemi ($2.750m) / Corey Crawford ($0.8 million)

So, if my math is correct (and there's no guarantee of this:
The roster has 21 people at the moment, the cap is going to be $59.4 million, and the current payroll is $61.574 million. They also have another $4+ million in cap damage, due to Toews and Kane hitting all their ELC bonuses (and Toews' $1.3 million bonus for winning the Conn Smythe). So they still need to dump about $5.6 million. Assuming they sign a few more players to replace trades and to fill the roster, and do so at about $3 million, they need to dump about $8.6 million in salary.

This means that, most likely, Versteeg is a goner and Sharp is probably on the block, too. They'll probably dump Skille and go cheaper there, too. $350,000 from Beach's contract is a bonus and can be deferred, since the NHLPA extended the CBA, so he's still a bargain. And they're still over by a bit, so someone else'll have to be traded, or they'll have to let Hjalmarsson go.

It's all moot if they can somehow dupe some poor bastard into taking Huet (is Glen Sather drunk yet?) and if they can dump Campbell for a bag of pucks, because that solves almost all the problems in the world. (Outside of the fact that they're going to have to give Niemi a horribly over-inflated contract to get him to sign, and it's a contract that he absolutely does not deserve.)

God, I want to take Dale Tallon out behind a barn and shoot him in the head. If he hadn't completely fucked the dog with last summer's offer sheet disaster (and if he hadn't signed Huet and Campbell to utterly indefensible contracts), the team would have no offseason worries this summer. Yeah, Tallon made some great moves (getting Versteeg and Sharp, notably), but, fuck, he left a mess of the team's accounting in his wake.
 
Yeah, you guys still have some ways to go.

I think Campbell's contract is unmoveable.
 
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