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5x012 The Pandorica Opens (Grading/Discussion) SPOILERS!!

Grade "The Lodger"

  • Who da Man?!

    Votes: 93 73.2%
  • Good

    Votes: 26 20.5%
  • Average

    Votes: 6 4.7%
  • Poor

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • What episode? The crack erased it

    Votes: 2 1.6%

  • Total voters
    127
  • Poll closed .
That was great! Need to see the conclusion to give a final rank. I like the idea that the pandorica was a prison for the Doctor and the irony that all his enemies had to form an alliance to put him there. I thought Davros when I heard the voice but not sure how that works. Also how did all those races get to that point in time. Who has the ability to time travel?
 
Wow! Well that was a brilliant episode! Neatly helped to make the rest of the season also brilliant and make sense at the same time. Excellent seeing previous characters make appearances even right back to the Sontaran leader from series 4! Loved all the spaceships in the sky. How many did you spot? This could be a contender for greatest finale yet so far! Time to take bets for who is behind all of this. Who could be that powerful? The Rani? Surely not the Master? Too soon for him to return after the last finale. Omega? Rassilon? Or maybe in a huge twist, the Doctor himself???? Any guesses guys?
 
I loved the episode, just for the fact that the Daleks weren't the main baddie in this finale. I am truly getting sick of them. But I love Alex Kingston even more! :p

I love how Moffat's Pandorica arc has played out this season and how seemingly stand-alone episode have become pieces of a greater puzzle. It's very clever and you get the sense that Moffat unlike Davies really planned this season ahead.

The Pandorica opens is tense, exciting, fast paced, moving and epic. And we've still got one episode to go.
 
That was great! Need to see the conclusion to give a final rank. I like the idea that the pandorica was a prison for the Doctor and the irony that all his enemies had to form an alliance to put him there. I thought Davros when I heard the voice but not sure how that works. Also how did all those races get to that point in time. Who has the ability to time travel?
Dalek's can time travel.
 
That was great! Need to see the conclusion to give a final rank. I like the idea that the pandorica was a prison for the Doctor and the irony that all his enemies had to form an alliance to put him there. I thought Davros when I heard the voice but not sure how that works. Also how did all those races get to that point in time. Who has the ability to time travel?

I had that thought too. I hope it isn't him, but rather someone that we haven't yet seen in the newer series.
 
Did anyone else had a moment where it looked liked BBC 1 was going to go off the air at the start of the episode:eek: or was it just my TV?
 
Also how did all those races get to that point in time. Who has the ability to time travel?

Daleks, as mentioned. Sontarans have osmic projectors that allow limited time travel.

The rest shouldn't though. The Nestenes are the offspring of an entity that survived the Big Crunch at the end of the previous universe though, so they might have a sort of temporal consciousness.

Nice to see the Nestenes being used more thoughtfully, though - given their origins and abilities, they should be one of the Doctor's more potent foes. It would have been so easy to have the Roman duplicates be Dalek androids like Bracewell, and certain events in the ep were possibly intended to mislead us to that conclusion...
 
That was great! Need to see the conclusion to give a final rank. I like the idea that the pandorica was a prison for the Doctor and the irony that all his enemies had to form an alliance to put him there. I thought Davros when I heard the voice but not sure how that works. Also how did all those races get to that point in time. Who has the ability to time travel?
Dalek's can time travel.

Why don't they use it more often to fix all their blunders? :)

surely they don't have the same moral guidelines that the Time Lords do. And with the Time Lords gone the time cops aren't there to write them tickets.
 
That was great! Need to see the conclusion to give a final rank. I like the idea that the pandorica was a prison for the Doctor and the irony that all his enemies had to form an alliance to put him there. I thought Davros when I heard the voice but not sure how that works. Also how did all those races get to that point in time. Who has the ability to time travel?
Dalek's can time travel.

Why don't they use it to fix all their blunders? :)

Wibbly Woobly reasons ;)

I guess fixing cracks in the Universe takes over the idea of them being gods of the Universe n all, if only the Time Lords knew that before the Time War would of saved a lot of time (pun intended) :p
 
Good. Difficult to give a two-parter an excellent, when you haven't seen the second part.
My early complaints on subjects such as how easily the pandorica was found (thats because its a trap) and the fact that all those previously squabbling races weren't attacking each other (thats because they're in an alliance) were cancelled out by the final explanation.
I had worked out the doctor was the pandorica prisioner, just wasn't sure how he got in there in the first place. I now know. Good reversal. Nothings breaking in, something breaking in.
Answered the question 'how can an event at Rory and Amys wedding destroy the universe, if Rorys non-extistant?' with the wedding is a red herring. The date was the one that the alliance broke into Amys house to steal her memories.
Still doesn't answer why the Doctor seems to place importance on the number of rooms in her house though.
I liked the cyberman bit. The cybermen have been a bit weak in Nu-Who. This gave them some new abilities.
Loved the 100,000 ship fleet over Wiltshire. Good CGI.
Wasn't expecting Rory back. This was good.
Wasn't expecting him to be a plastic robot. This was better.
Wasn't expecting him to shoot Amy when she suddenly remembered him whilst still believing (in part) that he was the real Rory. This was excellent. Horrified faces indeed.
The flaw in the plan appears to be River. The alliance expected the Doctor to be one to destroy the Tardis, not her. I wonder how important this is to what happens next. (Not very I suspect, though she does remember the pandorica events, so she may have not been erased from time, like, well everything else).
As for the master villian here, I'm going for only one person.
Davros. I mean he tried this end of last season. If it is him, isn't nice to see a villian retry his old scheme for once?
This whole season has been much better thought out then previous seasons. Its all coming together like a big jigsaw!
 
Absolutely brilliant!!!!! Can't wait for next week!

As an aside, my Who-sceptic wife also LOVED it! Thank you Mr Moffat!
 
Wow! What an episode. Can't wait for next week, and was slightly disappointed that there was no preview for the last episode.

I have a feeling that Jack's time vortex manipulator will come into play, but I am worried that Jack might now be wristless!
 
Wow! What an episode. Can't wait for next week, and was slightly disappointed that there was no preview for the last episode.

I have a feeling that Jack's time vortex manipulator will come into play, but I am worried that Jack might now be wristless!

It'd grow back
 
Loved it, and as for the voice in the Tardis....I know I'm crazy, but to ME it sounded like David Tennant doing a crazy old man voice. Bear in mind that this episode featured The Cybermen who were from the alt universe that Angry/Evil 10 ended up in with Rose, and the crack does look similar to the portal thing used at the end of Series 2 (I know its just a generic white glow, but still).
 
I thought someone had said in the other speculation thread that the Time Vortex Manipulator was actually River's and she wasn't who she said she was? I had brought up the Jack thing too and the poster pooh pooh'd it away.
 
Why were there Weevils included in the Alliance? They aren't even villans of the Doctor and it's not really known if they even possess the intelligence or technology for space filght based on the ones seen in Torchwood.
 
Why were there Weevils included in the Alliance? They aren't even villans of the Doctor and it's not really known if they even possess the intelligence or technology for space filght based on the ones seen in Torchwood.

Could be a lackey race of one of the other species. Like the Ogrons to the Daleks.
 
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