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Where does the Star Trek go from here?

One possible rescuing device for the Original Trek Timeline might be to think of the New Trek Timeline as a sort of "Mirror Universe". Although it is not truly "mirror" in the sense that every thing is opposite, it can be thought of as simply a "parallel" universe/timeline. One could then pick up the OTT after the events of the branching JJAbrams inspired NTT. Just a thought ;)

That's a horrible thought. That means the original time line events may never happen at all.
But they already have. Star Trek XI wouldn't have happened without Spock and Nero from the original timeline.
Tos is effectively wiped from existence from now on certainly never to be done better so why do it? Am I wrong about this. All J.J. did was bring back the original universe and everybody's groveling at his feet and praising him to high heaven as Star Trek's new god. It's disgusting.
The original timeline is still out there. TOS, TNG, and all the other stuff hasn't been wiped from existence. The thing about an alternate timeline/universe is that it coexists alongside the original timeline/universe.

Star Trek XI gave us an alternate version of TOS borne from the original. Kirk is alive again. We have an Enterprise with the simple NCC-1701 registry again. The future for this version of TOS is unknown. Anything could happen. Full speed ahead, I say.
 
Basically it will go with the guidelines of the Abram sverse, so first it was the movie and so on.
 
Where does the Star Trek go from here?

After VOY, ENT, the TNG films and ST09: sewage reclamation.
 
Where does the Star Trek go from here?

After VOY, ENT, the TNG films and ST09: sewage reclamation.

Wow. I mean wow. There's just lots and lots of hate coming from you today. I hadn't realized that a couple of fictional TV shows and movies could cause someone so much anger, suffering, and distress.

And no, I'm not trying to make fun of you. I'm seriously trying to figure you out. Why do you hate everything that isn't 1960's TOS?
 
Is there anyone out there that has an optimistic view of the future? The man who did is dead.

There were optimists before GR and have been since - many of them more grounded in reality.

GR attracted a lot of smart, talented, and creative people around him.

They would never have gone to see Star Trek: Nemesis. Come to think of it, they would never have gone to see The Undiscovered Country either, and that was the TOS cast.

That's what I figure. nuTrek audiences won't actually be ST fans.
 
Where does the Star Trek go from here?

Where its heart will take it? Because, you know, it can reach any star.
 
Unfortunately the heart of Star Trek is now a greedy monstrous life support system.

I don't understand what you mean. The show itself has become sentient, is greedy, and is hooked up to a life support system? How? Why?
 
Excelsior series campaign

Are they going to embrace the previous incarnations or just wash their hands free of it entirely?

Takei:
"Russ Haslage contacted me about a campaign to launch a new Star Trek series called Excelsior, which would have been based on the adventures of the U.S.S. Excelsior and Captain Sulu. And of course I have a deep and profound love and interest in Captain Sulu.
Russ and IFT mounted a very impressive campaign. It was a substantial idea. There was a huge following for it. And after all, Star Trek VI seemed to have opened the door for an Excelsior television series. But for whatever reason, Paramount didn't pick up the idea. So despite that massive and heroic effort that was launched by all of the people, and I was absolutely convinced that the audience was there based on the reception of Star Trek VI, the idea didn't go through. I was absolutely baffled."

George Takei Says He was Baffled Why Paramount Didn't Produce an Excelsior TV Series
10 June 2010 via TrekToday


old thread:
Would you watch a Sulu/Excelsior series?
 
FrankenTrek is alive ! It's alive !! There's no business like showbusiness..!! It may be alive but it's still in a coma and will never be the same. It'll never walk again let alone soar.
 
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A t.v. series barely alive. Gentlemen, we can rebuild her. We have the technology. We have the cheesy dialogue. We have the dumbed down plots. We can make it faster; more hip, kewler, more rad... more camara shaking...
 
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I think you guys are too pessimistic about the prospects for the success of a good, canonical (old universe) Star Trek tv series. Enterprise didn't fail because it was in the old universe, it failed because it was boring and stupid until it was too late. Scott Bakula was miscast and the crew was lame and forgettable. That show turned most people off with its god-awful opening theme-song. What matters most is that a new series be well written, acted, and directed. It's a tragedy that they couldn't just make a *good* movie of any kind in the old universe and decided to casually destroy everything for no real reason.
 
I think you guys are too pessimistic about the prospects for the success of a good, canonical (old universe) Star Trek tv series. Enterprise didn't fail because it was in the old universe, it failed because it was boring and stupid until it was too late. Scott Bakula was miscast and the crew was lame and forgettable. That show turned most people off with its god-awful opening theme-song. What matters most is that a new series be well written, acted, and directed. It's a tragedy that they couldn't just make a *good* movie of any kind in the old universe and decided to casually destroy everything for no real reason.

I don't think anyone doubts that a prime universe show could be successful, people just doubt that anyone in charge will even bother to make a prime universe show after the hype created around the new movie.
 
Yeah, I just dont think it will matter to TPTB that a show is in this or that timeline. I am not even sure it will matter if its in the JJverse. Does Smallville have to conform to Superman movies or vice versa? Do network executives care either way? There wont be much crossover even if it was. They wear the same uniforms? Occasional guest appearences? Would any TV show require a one-off appearence by Zachary Quinto to bring in added audience? Hes that big a star? "Next week on Star Trek: Another Series....Chekov! Yeah, you heard that right audience, its an Anton cameo! Dont miss it! Must See TV!"

I dont know. Maybe Im underestimating the drawing power of Yelchin or Quinto or Karl Urban, but I just cant see it mattering much to a show if they make a few rare appearences on it or not. So why does it have to set in that universe?

But one good thing about the Abrams movie is that it showed that something that looks an awful lot like ST can be a hit. That a massive overhaul that retained only a few phrases and names was not needed to make it successful. Ok, the engineering is a brewery, and the lines of the ship are a little different, etc but it could just as easily have the other way around, with only a handful of faint similarities, instead of differences.

So there is every reason to hope that a series would look alot like ST, no matter the timeline. It comes down to the production team. If its headed by people who care about it being Trek, doing it right, but can sell it to the suits, then we can expect something that might be very good.
 
People may have watched the reboot. But no one in their right mind loves the reboot. They may make a cut rate sequel to cash in (sequels generally are pretty much guaranteed half the box office of the original, for any movie, it seems.) But Star Trek is just another popcorn franchise now. When the sequels peter out, Trek will be acknowledged to be dead and no one will care any more, at all.
 
I think you guys are too pessimistic about the prospects for the success of a good, canonical (old universe) Star Trek tv series. Enterprise didn't fail because it was in the old universe, it failed because it was boring and stupid until it was too late.
It failed because niche programs don't work anymore on network TV. Lost was the last hurrah. From now on, networks will be the home of mass market genres - cop/doctor/lawyer shows; family-friendly sitcoms; and reality TV.

The only sf/f that networks even attempt will be the likes of V, The Gates and Persons Unknown - timid iterations of well-worn concepts (and even then, the ratings will suck.) I'm hoping against hope that Terra Nova can be a rare outlier, playing off Spielberg's name, but overall we need to look to cable for anything interesting in the future.

I wasn't very impressed with ENT, but it's certainly no worse than, say, Warehouse 13, and that's a big hit on Skiffy. If CBS were somehow to allow Star Trek on Skiffy, and the budget could be hammered down to a cable level without lowering the production values to shameful levels (Star Trek should have some standards), I think it could survive just fine on Skiffy.

The real question is: what would motivate CBS to go to all the effort of reviving Star Trek on TV, if neither CBS, CW or Showtime are the right place for it?
What matters most is that a new series be well written, acted, and directed.
I could type my fingers bloody listing all the perfectly good TV series that were cancelled prematurely despite deserving to survive. Don't depend on quality to get ratings.
people just doubt that anyone in charge will even bother to make a prime universe show after the hype created around the new movie.
Exactly. I doubt they'd do it under any conditions - Star Trek doesn't fit CBS's strategy at all - but in the slight chance they'd do it, they'd follow the success (JJ Abrams) and not the failure (Berman).

But what I mean by "following JJ Abrams" is not the details about the history of a given timeline - whether the Feds know who the Romulans are, whether Vulcan is blown up - but the insistence that Star Trek on TV do what Abrams did to be a big success and not what Berman did to run it into the ground. Whatever that was. The suits wouldn't care about the details, but they'd want some assurance that the people they put in charge of Trek on TV know what that difference is.

Yeah, I just dont think it will matter to TPTB that a show is in this or that timeline.
The suits wouldn't pay enough attention to content to know what timeline anything is in (or that we're not talking alternate timelines but alternate realities - they'd howl at the notion that they should worry about such picayune distinctions!) All that would concern them is success vs failure. It's really quite simple. Abrams = success. Berman = failure. The how's and why's of it wouldn't interest them. They would no more care why ENT failed (Bakula; bad theme song; regurgitated plots) than they care whether Trek XI is an alternate timeline or an alternate reality.

People may have watched the reboot. But no one in their right mind loves the reboot. They may make a cut rate sequel to cash in (sequels generally are pretty much guaranteed half the box office of the original, for any movie, it seems.) But Star Trek is just another popcorn franchise now. When the sequels peter out, Trek will be acknowledged to be dead and no one will care any more, at all.
The movie franchise is a huge hit, and are a long way from "petering out." Plenty of people, including plenty at Trek BBS, love the reboot, but that's not even relevant. Franchises can make a shitload of money just by being reliable, accessible entertainment. I don't see a lot of Avatar-related chatter around here, but that doesn't mean the next film won't be another mammoth hit.

The only question is: is CBS interested in capitalizing on the movie's hit status with a TV series, despite the fact that Star Trek doesn't fit their TV strategy at all?
 
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