Mirror Universe Vulcans

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

So.. what is the deal here? In the Mirror Universe the Vulcans land on earth, an earth which still looks, at least at Zephram Cochrane's part of it, like a shithole and they are vanquished, defeated, enslaved. But they have these super looking ships. And obvious technology. And Archer (iirc) admits that the Vulcan technology was a help (correct me if I'm wrong here).

How did they lose?

Also as an aside Mirror Universe T'Pol is obviously well integrated emotionally and never huffed any trellium in her life. Not once does she do that panicky eyes darting back and forth thing. She does not look frail. She is wonderfully kick ass. She is pretty awesome.

 

[JiNX-01]

The leader was unarmed and the Vulcan crew were outnumbered. Toss in a surprise attack by scores of people and even with superior weapons, they wouldn't be able to take down all of the humans before they were overwhelmed.

 

[Shatnertage]

I don't know exactly how it worked, but that teaser/credit sequences was pretty awesome.

I guess you could say that the humans reverse-engineered the ship, then with their aggro-strength defeat the Vulcans.

Question: the MU Vulcans are still logical, but are they as eeevvilll as the humans? Phlox definitely was. Is the MU more about people being evil and unrestrained, or is it supposed to be their mirror opposites?

 

[flux_29]

The mirror Humans would have striped that ship and made warp ships of their own and then sent an army to conquer the plant (with a few nukes).

 

[Hopeful Romantic]

Question: the MU Vulcans are still logical, but are they as eeevvilll as the humans? Phlox definitely was. Is the MU more about people being evil and unrestrained, or is it supposed to be their mirror opposites?

I am more familiar with "Mirror Mirror" and "In a Mirror Darkly" than the DS9 MU episodes, but I got the impression that you could see some small vestige (sometimes very small ) of the RU characters in their MU counterparts. And the fun reversals came in the details, such as Archer being an unhinged wannabe leader while RU Archer was renowned for blazing trails and leading humanity to greatness in the galaxy, or MU Hoshi being a fearless, manipulative barracuda while RU Hoshi was rather meek and scaredy-cat sometimes.

RU Vulcans are well-known for their loyalty, and the MU Vulcans seemed to show more loyalty to their commanders than the humans. MU Spock only reluctantly entertained the idea of getting rid of MU Kirk, and only after RU Kirk made a logical case for doing so. MU T'Pol was fiercely loyal to Captain Forrest, probably even when he ordered her to do unpalatable things. MU Soval seemed to have a more typical "slave" mentality of obeying to survive, but he responded to the logical argument T'Pol made for rebellion.

It could be that the MU Vulcans' logical and pacifist nature is what made them vulnerable to being conquered by humanity. If they had been more eeeevil, or more savage, like their pre-Awakening forebears, they might have been able to fight off an invasion.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I know they're not canon, but one of the older mirror universe novels (Dark Mirror?) said that Surak died as an infant, and thus mirror Vulcans are pretty much Romulans by another name.

Have mirror Romulans ever been mentioned? The races may never have even split in the MU.

 

[Dancing Doctor]

All male Mirror Universe Vulcans (at least Main Characters, anyway) must. have. beards. and. mustaches.

 

[DevilEyes]

I know they're not canon, but one of the older mirror universe novels (Dark Mirror?) said that Surak died as an infant, and thus mirror Vulcans are pretty much Romulans by another name.

Have mirror Romulans ever been mentioned? The races may never have even split in the MU.

Not canon, and ignored by ENT, and by later Mirror Universe literature (Glass Empires-Obsidian Alliances - Shards and Shadows anthologies). The Vulcans in In A Mirror, Darkly are obviously not Romulans - there's no way that Romulans would land and greet the Humans friendly with "Long live and prosper"... or allow themselves to be conquered by a less technologically developed power.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

All male Mirror Universe Vulcans (at least Main Characters, anyway) must. have. beards. and. mustaches.

Evil Hotness IS required.

 

[Dancing Doctor]

All male Mirror Universe Vulcans (at least Main Characters, anyway) must. have. beards. and. mustaches.

Evil Hotness IS required.

Regardless of astropolitical entity, military uniforms must emphasize the Evil Hotness.

 

[Timo]

Have mirror Romulans ever been mentioned? The races may never have even split in the MU.

Didn't "Through the Looking Glass" end with our Sisko telling the Mirror rebels that he would go and see if the Romulans would agree to join the rebellion? Granted he was really merely going to return to his home universe, but the Mirror folks bought his cover story, suggesting that Mirror Romulans do exist, and are at least potential enemies of the Alliance.

We don't know if these Romulans split from Vulcans thousands of years ago, or otherwise resemble "our" Romulans. Could be that "Romulan" is just the name for those Vulcans who weren't subsumed by the Alliance. Or something.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[DevilEyes]

Have mirror Romulans ever been mentioned? The races may never have even split in the MU.

Didn't "Through the Looking Glass" end with our Sisko telling the Mirror rebels that he would go and see if the Romulans would agree to join the rebellion? Granted he was really merely going to return to his home universe, but the Mirror folks bought his cover story, suggesting that Mirror Romulans do exist, and are at least potential enemies of the Alliance.

We don't know if these Romulans split from Vulcans thousands of years ago, or otherwise resemble "our" Romulans. Could be that "Romulan" is just the name for those Vulcans who weren't subsumed by the Alliance. Or something.

Timo Saloniemi

Why wouldn't the Romulan/Vulcan split have happened just the same way as it is did? There is no evidence that the Mirror Universe split from the Prime Universe any less recent than a few centuries earlier, or - even if had happened before - that it affected anything apart from Earth in that time period. And since Earth had no influence on Vulcans or Romulans or any interplanetary politics before the first contact with the Vulcans, why would the Vulcans and Romulans of that period be any different than what they are in the PU?

 

[CommanderRaytas]

All male Mirror Universe Vulcans (at least Main Characters, anyway) must. have. beards. and. mustaches.

...which is why I never spend my holidays over there.

 

[Timo]

There is no evidence that the Mirror Universe split from the Prime Universe any less recent than a few centuries earlier, or - even if had happened before - that it affected anything apart from Earth in that time period.

I'd argue there's no evidence of the Mirror Universe ever splitting from the Prime one, except perhaps a few moments before Big Bang. The two universes are simply fundamentally different in that the people in the MU have apparently always been, and always will remain, evil (and lesbian). That's why the events of First Contact went differently in the two different universes: the MU Cochrane was an evil bastard (and probably lesbian, too).

Timo Saloniemi

 

[CommanderRaytas]

...which proves that lesbians are inherently evil.

And there you have it.

 

[Dancing Doctor]

All male Mirror Universe Vulcans (at least Main Characters, anyway) must. have. beards. and. mustaches.

...which is why I never spend my holidays over there.

Because of facial hair? Lame.

...which proves that lesbians are inherently evil.

And there you have it.

That doesn't seem to be affecting heterosexual male interest in them, though.

 

[CommanderRaytas]

You do realise both comments were not to be taken seriously, right?

 

[Dancing Doctor]

Yes, I did realize that. My comments were glib and/or facetious.