Do you support Arizona?

[John Picard]

For anyone who believes the Arizona law is racist and all that BS, here's a perspective from someone I know, on another forum, who lives in Utah. He's in a smaller town where he works as a mortician and also volunteers with County Search and Rescue.

Can I just tell you guys some down to earth, real experience, 1st hand knowledge with this Arizona law.

Here is the problem. Illegal immigration is illegal to the Federal degree. Not the states, nor county, nor city. The feds have been tasked with controlling immigration. They have not kept up with the current situation, they are far, far behind.

In most of Arizona, as well as Utah, INS is the authority who takes custody of illegal immigrants. But they have rules. They won't just come out for any illegal immigrant. In fact if you pull over a car load of illegal immigrants and call INS, they will tell you it's not their problem. The local officer has to let them go. INS has several rules, and I will name them from the top of my head (the numbers may be off a few). INS will not take custody of an illegal immigrant unless there are more than 7 or 8 of them together, or if any one of them has commited a crime. They will take custody if the illegal immigrant has been flagged in a national database, or is being pursued by any law enforcement agency. There might be a couple other rules, but this will suffice.

So, you pull over a car load of illegal immigrants. You may charge the driver with no driver's license, but INS still won't come get them. You basically have to let them go. BUT, what Arizona has done is to make it against STATE law to be an illegal immigrant. So, now they have forced the Feds' hands in the matter. The INS agents must now come and take custody of them because they have broken a state law and are now criminals for being in the country illegally. INS has to do their job now.

It would be wonderful for Utah to follow suit. Maybe tweak the law and introduce it as a different law than of Arizona. Nothing bothers you more than having a van load of illegal immigrants speeding down the road at 3am, pulling them over, and having to let them go becaus there is NOTHING you can do about it. If you impound the van, or take them to jail for the night, then all you have done is made a huge problem in town because now we will have a large transient illegal immigrant population without ANY services to support them.


The INS is NOT doing it's job. That's why Arizona stepped up. It MAY reak of discrimination, but only because 98% of the illegal immigrants in Arizona come from south of the border.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

The only reason I can imagine is that people are afraid that the law might actually be enforced against illegal immigrants.

Believe me, no one's concerned that this is going to be effectively enforced. The boobs behind it just hope that the house of cards doesn't collapse before election day.

 

[cyph]

lawl

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[JonathonWally]

He's in a smaller town where he works as a mortician and also volunteers with County Search and Rescue.

So you took Joe Shmo's acecdotal evidence and wrapped it quote tags, and all of a sudden that's some valid proof of anything?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ Quite.

 

[Chaos Descending]

lawl

Sometimes the "right thing to do" is not always the "political" thing to do, and such is life.

 

[gturner]

I do feel sorry for the steel owner who's lost $5 million in business because he can't find other people willing work in miserable conditions for abysmal wages. Even ex-convicts would rather live in a tent eating Sheriff Joe's bologna sandwiches. This immigration measure is totally unfair to rich capitalist exploiters.

 

[Tom Riley]

The poll is closed so I can't vote in it, but I would've been another "Yes", I support Arizona's bill.

 

[SPOCKED]

I'm so proud of Arizona I sent them an edible arrangement

 

[Kira Nerys]

Yes I support Arizona .The government is supposed to control immigration .America is being drained dry money wise by illegals .

 

[sidious618]

Yes I support Arizona .The government is supposed to control immigration .America is being drained dry money wise by illegals .

Incorrect. If illegal immigarants were to all dissapear at once from the border states those states' economies would be in deep shit.

 

[RJDiogenes]

Slavery was good for the economy, too. Aren't Left Wingers supposed to be liberal?

 

[gturner]

^ Depends. Don't forget that the Democrats are probably the world's last remaining party that was founded to preserve the institution of race-based human slavery.

They'll renounce their business-based opposition to the Arizona bill about three days after the new android models come out.

 

[PKTrekGirl]

I don't know if Arizona's law is the answer or not, but I do believe that we have got to do something to stop illegal immigration. And we definitely have to cut off public assistance to illegal immigrants.

If you get here legally, that's one thing...I'm all for legal immigration. But people who come here, do not pay taxes, and proceed to collect all sorts of public assistance? It's not right. And given our own economic woes, we do not have the luxury of keeping this an academic argument any longer.

Between the offshoring of massive numbers of professional jobs by the big corporations to places like India and Brazil decreasing the states' tax revenue...and massive numbers of illegals increasing the states' entitlements expense, it's no wonder that states like California are going broke.

 

[sidious618]

Slavery was good for the economy, too. Aren't Left Wingers supposed to be liberal?

I have no idea what you're saying here. I was merely stating a fact and showing how the argument of illegal immigrants being damaging to our economy is false.

 

[Captain Ice]

He's pointing out that that argument has been used in the past to justify other illegal/immoral things.

 

[sidious618]

He's pointing out that that argument has been used in the past to justify other illegal/immoral things.

I think it was pretty obvious that I wasn't doing that, though. I was merely correcting an incorrect assumption.

 

[gturner]

Slavery was good for the economy, too. Aren't Left Wingers supposed to be liberal?

I have no idea what you're saying here. I was merely stating a fact and showing how the argument of illegal immigrants being damaging to our economy is false.

Actually what it shows is that the advantages of illegal immigrants are beneficial to our economy. Non-unionized workers, often willing to work for far below minimum wage, fireable at the drop of a hat, and ineligable for most government benefits. We could gain the same massive economic benefits from domestic teenagers and other workers if we'd eliminate the minimum wage and most other protections. For some reason we don't want to do that to our own people, put are perfectly fine with doing it to "others." The same arguments were used to justify slavery and a host of other labor practices that liberals are supposed to find abhorent.

I guess it's all conveniently forgotten when there's a potential new voting block up for grabs.

 

[RJDiogenes]

He's pointing out that that argument has been used in the past to justify other illegal/immoral things.

I think it was pretty obvious that I wasn't doing that, though. I was merely correcting an incorrect assumption.

Sorry about that. As far as that goes, you are correct; stopping illegal immigration would be damaging to the economy, just as ending slavery was damaging to the economy back in the 1800s. I just find it sad that people who have been known historically to support Human Rights and civil protections (for the most part) defend an illegal and exploitative practice.

 

[TheBrew]

Easiest way to massively slow down illegal immigration? Come down hard on businesses who hire them. Don't punish the people; punish the ones who perpetuate the situation.