Queequeg
The painting just needs the Hope logo.
Could you please add Michelle in a bikini made from palm fronds and coconut husks?
No, but I could add her in a hot Klingon outfit.
Obama pushes for renewed commercial whaling. :)
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No, but I could add her in a hot Klingon outfit.
Funny thing is, I googled that for kicks and got an article about how the outgoing Bush administration was trying to renew commercial whaling.
No, they weren't. Ted Stevens was pushing a compromise deal with the Japanese who kept trying to claim the exemptions for four Alaskan tribes should entitle them to likewise conduct "aboriginal" whaling in their home waters. Stevens (who resigned in disgrace) bent the ear of Bill Hogarth, then chairman of the IWC and a man who spent his career as a biologist managing fisheries. As director of Marine Fisheries in North Carolina, Hogarth himself put in a moratorium on fishing licenses off North Carolina's coast.
Hogarth wrote a report that said if Japan was willing to conduct limited whaling in her home waters along with an equal reduction in her whaling in the southern ocean, perhaps some progress could be made in the IWC, but he didn't endorse the deal.
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For that, conservation groups called for the Justice Department to investigate Hogarth. He was replaced in February and now Obama's new appointee is actually trying to make a worse deal happen. But since Obama is untouchable, the administration's lackeys and apologists are pointing the finger at Bush and saying "Look over there!"
That's to distract you, because nothing you hurl at Bush or Hogarth can possibly affect this deal one iota. Bush is no longer President. Hogarth is no longer head of the IWC. Even when they were in power they reached no agreement on anything, and Bush remained opposed to whaling. If nothing else, it would compete with Texas cattle and American beef, and Bush's relations with the Japanese government mostly consisted of puking on them.
In contrast, Obama deeply bowed to them from the waist. It's quite possible that he views the whaling ban as something imposed by rich white Americans (Ronald Reagan among them) on other cultures who have a spiritual connection to whaling.
We just don't know, and we're not going to find out unless the press starts doing its job. Sadly, that doesn't seem likely.
Hogarth wrote a report that said if Japan was willing to conduct limited whaling in her home waters along with an equal reduction in her whaling in the southern ocean, perhaps some progress could be made in the IWC, but he didn't endorse the deal.
link
For that, conservation groups called for the Justice Department to investigate Hogarth. He was replaced in February and now Obama's new appointee is actually trying to make a worse deal happen. But since Obama is untouchable, the administration's lackeys and apologists are pointing the finger at Bush and saying "Look over there!"
That's to distract you, because nothing you hurl at Bush or Hogarth can possibly affect this deal one iota. Bush is no longer President. Hogarth is no longer head of the IWC. Even when they were in power they reached no agreement on anything, and Bush remained opposed to whaling. If nothing else, it would compete with Texas cattle and American beef, and Bush's relations with the Japanese government mostly consisted of puking on them.
In contrast, Obama deeply bowed to them from the waist. It's quite possible that he views the whaling ban as something imposed by rich white Americans (Ronald Reagan among them) on other cultures who have a spiritual connection to whaling.
We just don't know, and we're not going to find out unless the press starts doing its job. Sadly, that doesn't seem likely.
I thought we got over that bit of irrelevancy months ago.
yes that's been pointed out the OP and numerous occasions but he's still pushing the claim it's Obama pushing for it.
Oh, so it's being pushed by Bush, who is no longer President, and Bill Hogarth, who is no longer connected to the IWC? I'm not sure about your planet, but on my planet the current President is in charge of policy, not former Presidents from the opposite party.
From today's Cape Cod Online
Emphasis mine. The meeting is in a week or two and you folks are too busy blaming Bush or Fox News to raise your voices to the people in the Administration who could change their minds and actually stop this renewal of commercial whaling.
You and me both! Since the press won't touch this story with a 10-foot pole we are left in the dark. In a week or so (I think starting June the 21st) the IWC will meet in Morocco and this proposal, whatever details it may include, will be voted on. Obama's IWC representative, appointed in February, is backing this proposal, so she's certainly spent months on the phone setting up its passage. Only a loud show of outrage or at least calls to slow things down could have any effect at this point, and that's just not happening because the public remains blissfully unaware that Gracie is about to be served up on a platter.
The compliant press is once again asleep at the switch.
Ouch. This investigation by the UK Telegraph is damning.
I'd recommend reading the whole thing. Japan is buying votes left and right and they wouldn't be doing that if the deal on the table at Morocco would reduce the whale harvest. Sadly, our Chicago-based administration is all too familiar with "pay-to-play" and is going to vote with Japan - and against the whales.
I'd recommend reading the whole thing. Japan is buying votes left and right and they wouldn't be doing that if the deal on the table at Morocco would reduce the whale harvest. Sadly, our Chicago-based administration is all too familiar with "pay-to-play" and is going to vote with Japan - and against the whales.
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There's this:
Pierce Brosnan Urges Obama to Save the Whales. Here's a clip of the article:
An article from the LA Times: It's an Op-Ed Piece, but it adds another piece of the puzzle. A clip of the op-ed below:
Pierce Brosnan Urges Obama to Save the Whales. Here's a clip of the article:
An article from the LA Times: It's an Op-Ed Piece, but it adds another piece of the puzzle. A clip of the op-ed below:
From what I can piece together, it sounds like these other countries are going ahead with whaling anyway, and this new proposal offers to throw them a bone by legally recognizing what's going on, in exchange for a reduction in actual activity on their part.
Or they're too busy talking about the worst oil spill ever. Heck, a city was flooded and it only made a side note.
Actually, Kuwait had a much worse one a while back.....this is just the worst on the US' doorstep.
And lets face it - Obama was thinking about the whales some people would complain that he's ignoring the oil slick.
And the really irony is when the same people are going on about Obama supposedly wanting a return to commerical whaling is those who've shown in the past they don't give a damn about whale preservation by complaing about resturants being closed for server illegal whale meat in the U.S
It's just an excuse for people who were against Obama to bitch about Obama not doing something. If he did what they wanted in this, they'd bitch about him not doing something about some other thing. Though I would hazard a guess if it was Bush, they'd be more forgiving.
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Actually, if it were true that Obama is pushing to open whaling, then I would most certainly be upset about that. I say that as an Obama supporter/voter, and I would have been angry with Bush if he would have done the same. I decide on principle, not party.
Yes, this is all about an excuse for Republicans, well, one Republican, to whine for a week until the IWC reaches a new deal allowing the commercial slaughter of whales for the next ten years.
The problem with Obama is that he and his followers are so narcissistic that they think this issue must be all about them.
The whales didn't vote for Obama. The whales haven't been getting free flights, hookers, and meals paid for by Japan. The whales aren't going to get some new auto plant outside Chicago.
You folks had only two weeks or so notice about this renewal of commercial, industrialized whale slaughter and spent half of it in denial. By now, even if you joined your voices in a chorus of opposition, it's probably too late to stop it. The only modern-day environmental issue addressed in a Star Trek movie was commercial whaling, and you just blew your chance not only to stop it, but even to publically oppose it.
I would have prefered to spend my time in this thread making funny arguments about how whales are tasty, but I couldn't even find anyone here in opposition to commercial whaling so my act would've lacked a straight man.
Sadly, if Obama's push passes, we can sit here and bemoan the renewal of commercial whaling for the next ten years.
And it's not, as some have promised, going to reduce the number of whales killed or else Japan wouldn't be buying hookers for African delegates to make sure the measure passes.
The problem with Obama is that he and his followers are so narcissistic that they think this issue must be all about them.
The whales didn't vote for Obama. The whales haven't been getting free flights, hookers, and meals paid for by Japan. The whales aren't going to get some new auto plant outside Chicago.
You folks had only two weeks or so notice about this renewal of commercial, industrialized whale slaughter and spent half of it in denial. By now, even if you joined your voices in a chorus of opposition, it's probably too late to stop it. The only modern-day environmental issue addressed in a Star Trek movie was commercial whaling, and you just blew your chance not only to stop it, but even to publically oppose it.
I would have prefered to spend my time in this thread making funny arguments about how whales are tasty, but I couldn't even find anyone here in opposition to commercial whaling so my act would've lacked a straight man.
Sadly, if Obama's push passes, we can sit here and bemoan the renewal of commercial whaling for the next ten years.
And it's not, as some have promised, going to reduce the number of whales killed or else Japan wouldn't be buying hookers for African delegates to make sure the measure passes.