Do you support Arizona?

[Tawny18]

^who really gives a shit about theme parks anyway?

every state has 'em. big farkin' deal.

As an Arizona roller coaster addict, I can tell you that's not true. Arizona has a pathetic lack of theme parks. (Castles & Coasters doesn't count. It's more like Fiddlesticks or Golfland with a a roller coaster tacked on.) We've got some great water parks. But man, I would kill for a Six Flags over Phoenix.

Yup.. we have Six flags, knotts berry farm, universal studios, disneyland and a bunch of others

 

[Cornholio]

California ...blah, blah, blah... a million other things i did NOT mention

like a 13% unemployment rate.

and the 2nd highest cost of living.

the 7th highest rate for robbery, the 9th highest rate for aggravated assault, and the 16th highest rate for murder.

the 4th highest ranking in health risks from hazardous air pollutants.

and I'll bet you'd never even heard of Mt. Whitney until I posted the link to mountain peaks over 14,000 feet.

oh, and just to stay on topic: I support Arizona's SB 1070.

 

[gturner]

Also, if you go to 50states.com you'll see that California is listed fifth, even behind Arkansas. Arizona is third.

That's just a list of the states in Alphabetical order..

And that should tell you something.

The 'C' is holding California back. Yet the state does nothing to drop it - because the state government is disfunctional. The citizens there are such an embarassment to civil society that the state didn't even put one on the state flag (I'm from Kentucky, which features two Kentuckians on our state flag).

What's more, California has whole forests of the oldest trees in the world - because Californians are too lazy to plant new ones.

It has all those theme parks and entertainment options because Californians need distractions from living in California.

It's the home of the Star Fleet Academy because the other states were too grounded in reality to give up useful real estate for a pie in the sky project to protect us from Klingons and Romulans.

All that scenic beauty you so love is just the scar tissue left over from God's tectonic punishments of California.

Wise up!

 

[Smiley]

This whole thing is just ridiculous. I'm sure that every state has some laws on their books that other states don't like. Why is this one getting so much negative attention, especially since it is reasonable and does not represent a major shift in immigration enforcement policy? Also, what are those cities hoping to gain from a boycott? Those who are affected the most are not going to suddenly run to the state lawmakers and pressure them to repeal the law.

 

[FrontLine]

This whole thing is just ridiculous. I'm sure that every state has some laws on their books that other states don't like. Why is this one getting so much negative attention, especially since it is reasonable and does not represent a major shift in immigration enforcement policy? Also, what are those cities hoping to gain from a boycott? Those who are affected the most are not going to suddenly run to the state lawmakers and pressure them to repeal the law.

That is a good question especially since there is similar federal law on this. All a state has done is mirror federal law. I think the angst is coming from two sides with the same goal. They want to exploit illegal immigration for their own benefit. One side are the pols who want voters. The other side are business that want cheap labor that depresses the market forces that set wages. The crocodile tears are insulting.

 

[Tawny18]

California ...blah, blah, blah... a million other things i did NOT mention

like a 13% unemployment rate.

and the 2nd highest cost of living.

the 7th highest rate for robbery, the 9th highest rate for aggravated assault, and the 16th highest rate for murder.

the 4th highest ranking in health risks from hazardous air pollutants.

and I'll bet you'd never even heard of Mt. Whitney until I posted the link to mountain peaks over 14,000 feet.

oh, and just to stay on topic: I support Arizona's SB 1070.

Well...it does have a much higher population than any other state in the country...

 

[Tawny18]

Also, if you go to 50states.com you'll see that California is listed fifth, even behind Arkansas. Arizona is third.

That's just a list of the states in Alphabetical order..

And that should tell you something.

The 'C' is holding California back. Yet the state does nothing to drop it - because the state government is disfunctional. The citizens there are such an embarassment to civil society that the state didn't even put one on the state flag (I'm from Kentucky, which features two Kentuckians on our state flag).

What's more, California has whole forests of the oldest trees in the world - because Californians are too lazy to plant new ones.

It has all those theme parks and entertainment options because Californians need distractions from living in California.

It's the home of the Star Fleet Academy because the other states were too grounded in reality to give up useful real estate for a pie in the sky project to protect us from Klingons and Romulans.

All that scenic beauty you so love is just the scar tissue left over from God's tectonic punishments of California.

Wise up!

Hmm..sounds to me like someone is a little jealous. You're from Kentucky? No offense but Kentucky sounds like a lame and boring state. I bet there's tons of people living in Kentucky right now who wish to live in California.

 

[Tawny18]

Oh yeah...We have In-N-Out which have the BEST burgers EVER(Arizona and Vegas are lucky we share that with them)

 

[clint g]

Holy triple post batman!!!

 

[John Picard]

I hope like hell Arizona shuts off the power it supplies to California. If California is so damned great, then that shouldn't be an issue.

 

[gturner]

Hmm..sounds to me like someone is a little jealous. You're from Kentucky? No offense but Kentucky sounds like a lame and boring state. I bet there's tons of people living in Kentucky right now who wish to live in California.

As Mark Twain said, "When the world ends I want to be in Kentucky, because there everything happens ten years later."

 

[gturner]

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6qEQ-KnitQ[/yt]

 

[Tawny18]

I hope like hell Arizona shuts off the power it supplies to California. If California is so damned great, then that shouldn't be an issue.

Los Angeles pretty much owns Arizona's power plants

 

[RJDiogenes]

Oh yeah...We have In-N-Out which have the BEST burgers EVER(Arizona and Vegas are lucky we share that with them)

Posting more than twice in a row is considered Spamming and can also be Warnable. I did suggest that you read the Rules, didn't I?

 

[gturner]

I hope like hell Arizona shuts off the power it supplies to California. If California is so damned great, then that shouldn't be an issue.

Los Angeles pretty much owns Arizona's power plants

If owning 5.7% is "pretty much."

 

[Cornholio]

the city of Costa Mesa, California supports Arizona.

I hope like hell Arizona shuts off the power it supplies to California. If California is so damned great, then that shouldn't be an issue.

Los Angeles pretty much owns Arizona's power plants

the Los Angeles Department of Water & Power owns 5.7% of the Palo Verde nuclear plant in Arizona. Southern California Edison owns 15.8%, and the Southern California Public Power Authority owns 5.9%. that totals 27.4%.

the remaining 72.6% is owned by utility companies outside California's borders.

link

the Los Angeles Department of Water & Power owns 21% of the Navajo Generating Station, located on sovereign Navajo land near Page, Arizona.

the remaining 79% is ownd by utility companies outside California's borders.

link
Los Angeles also gets about 6% of it's power from the Hoover Dam, which is owned by the U.S. Government.

 

[Tawny18]

the city of Costa Mesa, California supports Arizona.

I hope like hell Arizona shuts off the power it supplies to California. If California is so damned great, then that shouldn't be an issue.

Los Angeles pretty much owns Arizona's power plants

the Los Angeles Department of Water & Power owns 5.7% of the Palo Verde nuclear plant in Arizona. Southern California Edison owns 15.8%, and the Southern California Public Power Authority owns 5.9%. that totals 27.4%.

the remaining 72.6% is owned by utility companies outside California's borders.

link

the Los Angeles Department of Water & Power owns 21% of the Navajo Generating Station, located on sovereign Navajo land near Page, Arizona.

the remaining 79% is ownd by utility companies outside California's borders.

link
Los Angeles also gets about 6% of it's power from the Hoover Dam, which is owned by the U.S. Government.

We're still considered owners

 

[B.J.]

....a lot of stuff about CA....

So, are you going to post anywhere else other than this thread? We really do have a nice big Trek board!

 

[Warp Core Breach]

It's too busy writing a travelogue.

 

[The Borgified Corpse]

This whole thing is just ridiculous. I'm sure that every state has some laws on their books that other states don't like. Why is this one getting so much negative attention, especially since it is reasonable and does not represent a major shift in immigration enforcement policy? Also, what are those cities hoping to gain from a boycott? Those who are affected the most are not going to suddenly run to the state lawmakers and pressure them to repeal the law.

That is a good question especially since there is similar federal law on this. All a state has done is mirror federal law. I think the angst is coming from two sides with the same goal. They want to exploit illegal immigration for their own benefit. One side are the pols who want voters. The other side are business that want cheap labor that depresses the market forces that set wages. The crocodile tears are insulting.

The arguments being made this time are the same arguments that were being made a few years ago when the federal government tried to step up enforcement. The pro-illegal immigration crowd would be making the same arguments regardless of what SB1070 actually said. They're trying to score political points. It's not just that they think SB1070 goes too far. These people won't be happy with anything less than full amnesty and/or a continuation of the current federal policy of turning a blind eye to 99% of the illegal immigrants currently in the country. It's less a humanitarian argument and more an argument of, "We should be allowed to stay because we've been savvy enough to evade law enforcement so far."

The enforcement problem has gotten so bad that ICE can't even act when a child admits on national TV that her family is here illegally. (They ask about how law enforcement can have reasonable suspicion that someone is an illegal alien without racial profiling. Well, why not start with those who confess to being illegal on TV and those who go to protests with t-shirts that say "Undocumented.")

Also, shame on you, Rick Romley! One of the things our new Maricopa County Attorney has announced is that he wants to ease up on the employer enforcement angle of immigration. There's no reason for this unless he is deeply in the pockets of local businesses that employ illegals.

And shame on the hypocrite, Mexican President Felipe Calderon! He dares to condemn our mild immigration policies while he has 200,000 troops stationed at Mexico's southern border!? Don't try to portray yourself as some great egalitarian, Felipe. You just want everyone to ignore illegal immigration because it provides an easy way to get rid of Mexico's poor discontents and because repatriation is your 3rd largest "industry." Make great strides in upgrading Mexico's status from "shithole" to merely "slightly slummy" and none of us will hear about illegal immigration ever again.