Will we see Rose... but more importantly...

[Bones2]

Well, either way, Eccleston was embarrassed enough by Doctor Who. He wouldn't come back and involve himself in a catastrophe like that.

 

[Captain Pike]

Well, either way, Eccleston was embarrassed enough by Doctor Who. He wouldn't come back and involve himself in a catastrophe like that.

I don't know if we can say that with any certainty, can we?

Eccleston was pretty tight lipped about his reasons for leaving, and his earlier statements about his role in the series were largely positive. For eg, from Doctor Who Confidential (2005) -

"I loved playing him, and I loved taking part in the basic essence and message of the series ... and to be part of that is fantastic.”

 

[Bones2]

Well he would say that on Confidential. Admittedly the reasons for his leaving that I base that premise on are rumours, but even so, I doubt he'd come back just to become Rose's living sex doll as part of the stupidest plot ever conceived by a human.

 

[The]

Yes....yes.....let the negative bias flow through you....

 

[Sci]

Well he would say that on Confidential. Admittedly the reasons for his leaving that I base that premise on are rumours, but even so, I doubt he'd come back just to become Rose's living sex doll as part of the stupidest plot ever conceived by a human.

No, but he might have been willing to come back and give final closure and a happy ending to the Nine/Rose love story that comprised so much of Series One.

 

[Bones2]

I think the happy ending for that was when the chav thicko was stuck in another universe never to return. Only RTD couldn't help but include her in his vain procession of one-dimensional characters.

 

[Captaindemotion]

Admittedly the reasons for his leaving that I base that premise on are rumours, .

I'm glad you've finally admitted that. I was actually intending to ask you why you thought he would never return to DW (out of genuine curiousity, not to 'call you out' or anything).

You've frequently alluded to his leaving for other reasons than those given by the cast & crew and said with apparent confidence that he's embarrassed by the show and won't have anything to do with it.

That may well be right and I certainly am not in a position to say the opposite. But if your view on this is based merely on rumours, perhaps you shouldn't be so steadfast in expressing it as if it were Gospel truth. To be fair, you do now admit that it's based on rumour but in earlier threads I got the view -perhaps incorrectly, in which case I apologise - that you were saying so with total certainty.

 

[HappyDayRiot]

Bones, why did you keep watching? I mean, I don't think you kept watching the Tennant episodes just so you could criticise and hate them, but it's obvious you found very little to like from an early stage. Why not just stop watching until the production team and/or Doctor changed? Has there always been a glimmer of hope it would stop being so shite? A love for just picking up on old series references?

I find your persistence in the face of such dislike and exasperation almost admirable really.

 

[The Mirrorball Man]

Bones, why did you keep watching?

He kept watching for the same reasons I keep reading his posts: hope, entertainment and irritation.

 

[Bacl]

Bones, why did you keep watching?

Same reason anyone keeps watching.

It's a good show and he enjoys it.

 

[Captaindemotion]

First bit, yes. Second bit - not entirely obvious ...

 

[OmahaStar]

Bones, why did you keep watching?

Same reason anyone keeps watching.

It's a good show and he enjoys it.

Obviously, he watches for the references to the Sixth Doctor, of which we've had many.

 

[The]

He watches it because, deep down, he loves Doctor Who and it pains him to see it presented in a trite and whimsical fashion. He believes it a disservice to the history and lore of the franchise to "cheapen" it with modern traits that give it a universally commercial slant across all demographics. Because the Classic series allowed itself to follow a less predictable narrative path away from the likes of romance and emotional exploration, Bones takes great acceptance to the general commercialization of the modern series. He believes it is missing a unique flavor once shared with other great cult shows.

And for fuckssake, it's waaaaaay too sexual for him.

So, I believe he watches it in hopes of improvement in the areas he finds lacking...

 

[Sci]

Because the Classic series allowed itself to follow a less predictable narrative path away from the likes of romance and emotional exploration,

Which is horrifying to me. A work of art that does not possess an emotional component, that is not in some way an exploration of human emotion -- be it alone or in conjunction with explorations of human intellect -- is a work of art that's not worth the time of day.

 

[Shazam!]

Because the Classic series allowed itself to follow a less predictable narrative path away from the likes of romance and emotional exploration, Bones takes great acceptance to the general commercialization of the modern series.

Exception.

But yeah.

 

[Sci]

I think the happy ending for that was when the chav thicko was stuck in another universe never to return. Only RTD couldn't help but include her in his vain procession of one-dimensional characters.

So, Rose is a "chav thicko" -- because she didn't get her A-levels, I suppose? -- and the Ninth Doctor is a "binman" because he has a Northern English accent.

Any other of your fellow Britons you'd like to insult with classist names?

 

[Captain Pike]

Because the Classic series allowed itself to follow a less predictable narrative path away from the likes of romance and emotional exploration,

Which is horrifying to me. A work of art that does not possess an emotional component, that is not in some way an exploration of human emotion -- be it alone or in conjunction with explorations of human intellect -- is a work of art that's not worth the time of day.

In your opinion.

ETA (now that I've made the trip to work) - The movie Alien for instance, didn't feature much in the way of romantic content, yet it remains a good, tense flick.

Anyway, there always were moments of emotion (and by that I mean platonic love, respect, pride, fear, cowardice, noble sacrifice, sense of duty in the face of impending doom, etc etc) in the old show, but it just avoided the doctor/companion romantic angle and soap opera bits (by and large).

Watching the old show, I realise there are other components I appreciate and which warm the cockels for me in addition to these things. Last night I watched Horror of Fang Rock and seeing the Doctor express pride and a protective streak for his companion ("Leela has particularly heightened senses and if she says there is something coming, there is something coming!") is rather endearing to me, especially when he hides these things from her most of the time by calling her 'savage' or describing her people as 'backward'.

Also, seeing something like a dispassionate display of rational thought winning out over superstition, to see science triumph over mysticism is something I find really appealing - to the point where such rationalism can elicit an emotional response in me (perhaps I'm weird that way). I really miss this element in the new show.

You might say 'big deal' to these themes, and not see the appeal, and that's fine, but they really do work for me in a big way.

 

[DimesDan]

I think the happy ending for that was when the chav thicko was stuck in another universe never to return. Only RTD couldn't help but include her in his vain procession of one-dimensional characters.

So, Rose is a "chav thicko" -- because she didn't get her A-levels, I suppose? -- and the Ninth Doctor is a "binman" because he has a Northern English accent.

Any other of your fellow Britons you'd like to insult with classist names?

This really does pain me, but Bones is right, Rose is a chav, no denying it, as for Nine being scary because he is Northern, he's right again, being a Southerner I'd feel rather intimidated if I met him in a dark ally.

 

[Sci]

I think the happy ending for that was when the chav thicko was stuck in another universe never to return. Only RTD couldn't help but include her in his vain procession of one-dimensional characters.

So, Rose is a "chav thicko" -- because she didn't get her A-levels, I suppose? -- and the Ninth Doctor is a "binman" because he has a Northern English accent.

Any other of your fellow Britons you'd like to insult with classist names?

This really does pain me, but Bones is right, Rose is a chav, no denying it, as for Nine being scary because he is Northern, he's right again, being a Southerner I'd feel rather intimidated if I met him in a dark ally.

Uh-huh. Classist insults and stereotypes are okay if two people use them!

 

[DimesDan]

So, Rose is a "chav thicko" -- because she didn't get her A-levels, I suppose? -- and the Ninth Doctor is a "binman" because he has a Northern English accent.

Any other of your fellow Britons you'd like to insult with classist names?

This really does pain me, but Bones is right, Rose is a chav, no denying it, as for Nine being scary because he is Northern, he's right again, being a Southerner I'd feel rather intimidated if I met him in a dark ally.

Uh-huh. Classist insults and stereotypes are okay if two people use them!

Seriously? Are you even aware what Chav means? Yes you may think the world shines out of Rose's arse, but she is a Chav. She lives on a council estate (don't you even dare say they may own it) and works in a fucking shop. She wears sterotypical chavette clothes. So yes Sci, when someone says she is a chav, they're right.

As for Nine, no classest remarks intended and I will repeat what I said earlier: Being a Southerner I'd feel rather intimidated if I met him in a dark ally.

I was being truthful about it, if you want to disagree with me, that's fine, but have you ever been to Manchester? Have you even set foot out of the United States of America?