Fury Stupidity

[Guy Gardener]

She was arguably fully grown. Her "costumes" to me looked like the clothes you would see on a doll, child or Peter Pan. In any effect the costuming for Kes would have been just as apropos for an episode of "How to catch a Predator" that she wasn't just being made to look unique but much much younger than she really was.

Although pigtails and a lolly pop might have been too much?

With how her brain worked, she could have gotten through a simulated version of Starfleet Academy in a few weeks, and then she could have been wearing a uniform too like the rest of the crew, a 1/4 of which who totally did not deserve their rank and privileges and in no way earned their uniforms, including Kim.

 

[Lynx]

Well, at least she didn't have to dress in "special clothes" to get attention.

Ummm, what are you talking about?

Kes' "pixie" outfits were custom made just for the character and then they put her in a custom made velvet catsuit when she got older. All that was done to make Kes' unique against the other cast members that just wore Starfleet uniforms. So Kes was made to look that way to get just as much attention.

Besides, it's not like it was Ryan's choice to what Seven wore.
Once again, you're blaming the actor for what the studio does.

The decision of putting Kes in that catsuit was probably because of Braga's obsession with women in catsuits plus an attempt to play the "sex card" already then.

I can agree on your comment about not being Ryan's choice to wear the catsuit. But in that case, Lien shouldn't be dismissed as a lousy actress when it might have been the writers who came up with bad scripts.

 

[Lynx]

She was arguably fully grown. Her "costumes" to me looked like the clothes you would see on a doll, child or Peter Pan. In any effect the costuming for Kes would have been just as apropos for an episode of "How to catch a Predator" that she wasn't just being made to look unique but much much younger than she really was.

Although pigtails and a lolly pop might have been too much?

With how her brain worked, she could have gotten through a simulated version of Starfleet Academy in a few weeks, and then she could have been wearing a uniform too like the rest of the crew, a 1/4 of which who totally did not deserve their rank and privileges and in no way earned their uniforms, including Kim.

Her costumes look similar to what many women between 15 and 30 (or more) are wearing today. I think she looks good in them.

 

[Lynx]

But I won't give her any credit for participating in that crappy episode in the first place.

..but this just means you yourself find Lien a questionable actress due to the scripts she chooses.

So I'm sure why you get upset when others say the same thing?

It has nothing to do with that.

I've only questioned one script she did choose and that was "Fury".

And I've never stated that I found her questionable or a bad actress.

I do get upset over those who constantly trash the character Kes and Jennifer Lien's acting.

 

[teya]

Well, at least she didn't have to dress in "special clothes" to get attention.

Ummm, what are you talking about?

Kes' "pixie" outfits were custom made just for the character and then they put her in a custom made velvet catsuit when she got older. All that was done to make Kes' unique against the other cast members that just wore Starfleet uniforms. So Kes was made to look that way to get just as much attention.

Besides, it's not like it was Ryan's choice to what Seven wore.
Once again, you're blaming the actor for what the studio does.

The decision of putting Kes in that catsuit was probably because of Braga's obsession with women in catsuits plus an attempt to play the "sex card" already then.

I can agree on your comment about not being Ryan's choice to wear the catsuit. But in that case, Lien shouldn't be dismissed as a lousy actress when it might have been the writers who came up with bad scripts.

Actually, my comment about Lien's acting ability came in response to a question about why she was so uncomfortable in public speaking, when so many actors simply invent a character that they play when they have to "be themselves" in public.

And it was a good question.

It had nothing to do with her acting on the show.

 

[Guy Gardener]

If a mother and a daughter are using the same wardrobe, there is, no matter how much I enjoyed Gilmore Girls, something dysfunctional going on. Mutton dressed as lamb is as good a phrase as any. You would think that because of how fast that she was maturing more so than ageing, that her dress sense would be evolving though styles and affects a little more swiftly than the seemingly static position she took. Seven was clothed to embody "sex" (apparently?) and Kes was drapered to (Her style was a little Von Trapp Curtains, yes?) to SEEM innocent.

Kes in that leather number from warlord however?

 

[Trilliam]

I was going to mention Meryll Streep for the same reasons.

Hence the reason I thought it was odd Jennifer had those issues.

If it's common place to create a stage character, why didn't she do that? (Assuming she's not a ham like The Shatner )

Maybe she's just not that good an actress?

This. She is painful to watch and the voice she used in "Voyager" was like nails on a chalk board.

 

[Miss Chicken]

Hence the reason I thought it was odd Jennifer had those issues.

If it's common place to create a stage character, why didn't she do that? (Assuming she's not a ham like The Shatner )

Maybe she's just not that good an actress?

This. She is painful to watch and the voice she used in "Voyager" was like nails on a chalk board.

Thank heavens, there is someone who found her voice as grating as I did.

 

[exodus]

Well, at least she didn't have to dress in "special clothes" to get attention.

Ummm, what are you talking about?

Kes' "pixie" outfits were custom made just for the character and then they put her in a custom made velvet catsuit when she got older. All that was done to make Kes' unique against the other cast members that just wore Starfleet uniforms. So Kes was made to look that way to get just as much attention.

Besides, it's not like it was Ryan's choice to what Seven wore.
Once again, you're blaming the actor for what the studio does.

The decision of putting Kes in that catsuit was probably because of Braga's obsession with women in catsuits plus an attempt to play the "sex card" already then.

I'm going to have to disagree based on the fact, Gene Roddenberry put Deanna Troi in a catsuit that not only had a plunging neckline but gave her very visible cameltoe. Let's keep in mind that the Enterprise is not only the flapship of the Federation but she meets with planetary ambassadors and members of governments dressed like that.

Ira Behr exploited Terry Ferrell's sexual appeal as well.
Do you think it was by mistake she was the one woman chosen to wear the mini skirt and go-go boots in "Trials & Tribbulations"?

That's before Braga's time.
Braga just kept doing what had already been started, by the creator.

Besides playing the sex card is a major part of all forms of entertainment. There's a reason why you see Angelina Jolie on magazine covers and not Whoopi Goldberg. Hell, it made Madonna a millionaire.

 

[kimc]

Why suddenly did those in charge feel the need to explore Native American culture when they never bothered with any other Earth based culture before?

Well they bothered with the Irish in "Fair Haven" and "Spirit Folk"...

...and look how well THAT turned out!

 

[Guy Gardener]

They had fair warning about the degree to which British Nationalism could suck a TNG story to the base after Zorro was Haunting Bev in TNG Sub Rosa on Scotlandworld.

Praise Allah that Star Trek was cancelled before we had to mince about with Welshworld.

 

[Miss Chicken]

They had fair warning about the degree to which British Nationalism could suck a TNG story to the base after Zorro was Haunting Bev in TNG Sub Rosa on Scotlandworld.

Praise Allah that Star Trek was cancelled before we had to mince about with Welshworld.

What is your opinion about the treatment of the Welsh in Torchwood?

 

[Trilliam]

They had fair warning about the degree to which British Nationalism could suck a TNG story to the base after Zorro was Haunting Bev in TNG Sub Rosa on Scotlandworld.

Praise Allah that Star Trek was cancelled before we had to mince about with Welshworld.

What is your opinion about the treatment of the Welsh in Torchwood?

Just thought I'd mention that number 1 son visited the site in Cardiff n July last year.

 

[Guy Gardener]

They had fair warning about the degree to which British Nationalism could suck a TNG story to the base after Zorro was Haunting Bev in TNG Sub Rosa on Scotlandworld.

Praise Allah that Star Trek was cancelled before we had to mince about with Welshworld.

What is your opinion about the treatment of the Welsh in Torchwood?

That's Brit on Brit, which is lovely.

The Doctor Who movie however was Yank on Brit and that was AWFUL! Captain jack is on Desperate housewives right now, which is fine, because lost and flash forward and house have more than proven that there's nothing wrong in the slightish with Brit on yank, in fact the more Brit on Yank the better, but that doesn't mean that I want the producers of Smallville to start putting money and suggestions into any Brit Doctor Who Projects. There's a double standard here that needs to be enforced with the threat of a short trip over the horizon via catapult.

Oh.

I just realised that Brit is a person here.

 

[teya]

Why suddenly did those in charge feel the need to explore Native American culture when they never bothered with any other Earth based culture before?

Well they bothered with the Irish in "Fair Haven" and "Spirit Folk"...

...and look how well THAT turned out!

Fair Haven was a holoprogram. It wasn't real.


Chakotay's culture was posited as real.


I'm sure that you can understand the difference.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The holograms thought they were real and really Irish even after they discovered were light bulbs. I suppose it's the same for those people who work at Disney World and refuse to break character.

Now if O'Brien, or some one with a similar enough ancestory to O'Brien was on the ship, s/he might just be purturbed that some macabre reflection of hir personal history was being posited as a brothel... But like I was saying how sexism doesn't exist in the future yesterday, well neither does racism, that Voyagers crew would consider racism such an alien language that they wouldn't recognise what they were being racist or understand what they were doing even as they are in the full throws of committing outrageously racist acts.

I'm sure someone had to be insulted that a thing without a soul was impersonating clergy and treating that religion like mumbojumbo and thought policing.

 

[exodus]

Why suddenly did those in charge feel the need to explore Native American culture when they never bothered with any other Earth based culture before?

Well they bothered with the Irish in "Fair Haven" and "Spirit Folk"...

...and look how well THAT turned out!

If you said, "Up the Long Ladder" I would be in complete agreement.

However, the people of "Fair Haven" were designed to be stereotypes, even to the point they believed in "Spirit Folk".
The writers never wanted those stories to be taken seriously, on purpose. "Fair Haven" is like Trek doing a Renaissance fair.

 

[JanewayRulz!]

doesn't exist in the future yesterday

I don't have a comment, I just love the way this "sounds."

Kind of like Braxton telling Seven he stopped trying to get his "tenses straight years ago."

 

[Guy Gardener]

...but I was literally talking about a post I made yesterday then.

new lanuage would be created to handle the tenses, I know I do now and then, and then the universal translator would go apeshit trying to match transtemporal tenses between languages in which such things exist and others do not...

Australian Aborigini's never invented counting.

Somethings do slip through the cracks.

 

[Miss Chicken]

Australian Aborigini's never invented counting.

Australian Aboriginals can count just fine, it just that their languages don't have many counting words (some language have only words for one, two, few and many).

Proof that you don't need words to have the ability to count

And some tribes at least do/did have a words to show larger numbers