O.k, first of all the nexus should have had an alien of some type(telepathic?) at the other end of it pulling some strings. Some kind of connection to another dimension that is seeping into our dimension bringing bad things and has to be closed up and sealed but is very alluring to people, like flies to a flame.
Improve Generations?
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How about Mysterious Future Guy from Enterprise that was never resolved?
When I worked in movie theatres I had a saying when we screened a bad movie: "Let me get my film splicer and in 20 minutes we'll have a decent movie."
When I worked in movie theatres I had a saying when we screened a bad movie: "Let me get my film splicer and in 20 minutes we'll have a decent movie."
I would junk the existing story and create one of my own. I would open the movie in deep space. Floating in the void is a chess table. Sitting on one side of the table is Trelane. On the other side is Q. They're discussing which is the better captain. Kirk or Picard. It starts to get really fanboy hostile when Q proposes a wager. Kirk Vs. Picard. If Trelane wins then Q has to be his manservant for all eternity. If Q wins then Trelane gives up his powers and lets Q turn him into a teenager where he has to serve out his mortal life as an acting ensign on Picard's bridge.
This shit out of the way we cut to Kirk at the end of TUC. He's taking the Enterprise off on her final cruise when BAM she's hailed by Starfleet Command alerting them to a GINORMOUS Klingon battlecruiser wreaking havoc across the galaxy. To preserve the new peace Kirk has to find the ship and stop it before war breaks out.
Then we cut to Picard and the Enterprise-D. He's hailed by Command and alerted that a Borg cube is headed straight for Earth and he's the Enterprise is the only ship in range to stop it. So naturally he's off to fight the Borg.
Of course what Kirk and Picard don't know is that they're being played. Kirk is seeing the Klingons and not the Enterprise-D. Picard of course is seeing the Born and not the Enterprise-A. Now the D of course has the advantage of a more powerful ship but Kirk has fought a First Federation ship which was far more powerful that the D and he has all the experience so for every thing that Picard can think to do Kirk has a work around.
It's a battle of technology vs. instinct so it's a closer match than one would think.
In the end Kirk and Picard figure each other out. I dunno how. Maybe because Picard is having an easier time with the Borg than he should be. Maybe it's because these Klingons seem to be fighting fair. Maybe it's because Spock's telepathic mind and Troi's empathic minding are touching each others across the cosmos but one way or the other they manage to see each other for what they really are and they turn things around on Trelane and Q.
Since it's a draw the movie ends with Trelane as Picard's acting ensign and Q as Trelane's bitch. And Kirk lives happily ever after. Picard on the other hand has Q and Trelane on his ship forever!
I'd pay to see this flick right now! I'd take the whole family! Twice! And I'd buy the DVD! And the Blu-Ray once I get a Blu-Ray player!
This shit out of the way we cut to Kirk at the end of TUC. He's taking the Enterprise off on her final cruise when BAM she's hailed by Starfleet Command alerting them to a GINORMOUS Klingon battlecruiser wreaking havoc across the galaxy. To preserve the new peace Kirk has to find the ship and stop it before war breaks out.
Then we cut to Picard and the Enterprise-D. He's hailed by Command and alerted that a Borg cube is headed straight for Earth and he's the Enterprise is the only ship in range to stop it. So naturally he's off to fight the Borg.
Of course what Kirk and Picard don't know is that they're being played. Kirk is seeing the Klingons and not the Enterprise-D. Picard of course is seeing the Born and not the Enterprise-A. Now the D of course has the advantage of a more powerful ship but Kirk has fought a First Federation ship which was far more powerful that the D and he has all the experience so for every thing that Picard can think to do Kirk has a work around.
It's a battle of technology vs. instinct so it's a closer match than one would think.
In the end Kirk and Picard figure each other out. I dunno how. Maybe because Picard is having an easier time with the Borg than he should be. Maybe it's because these Klingons seem to be fighting fair. Maybe it's because Spock's telepathic mind and Troi's empathic minding are touching each others across the cosmos but one way or the other they manage to see each other for what they really are and they turn things around on Trelane and Q.
Since it's a draw the movie ends with Trelane as Picard's acting ensign and Q as Trelane's bitch. And Kirk lives happily ever after. Picard on the other hand has Q and Trelane on his ship forever!
I'd pay to see this flick right now! I'd take the whole family! Twice! And I'd buy the DVD! And the Blu-Ray once I get a Blu-Ray player!
I wouldn't. The Nexus was a plot device to get Kirk and Picard together. It worked well enough. The problem wasn't getting them together. The problem was that they weren't brought together to do anything exciting. Keep the Nexus and toss out the rest of the flick. No. Toss it all out.
I think I like the Nexus as its own stellar phenomenon - "...more in Heaven and Earth..." sort of thing. Including another bad guy behind it as well as Malcolm MacDowell...maybe too much. Too arch having a supervillain behind it. I could be wrong. I guess it's in the execution.
I think the problem was that the two captains didn't need to be there together at all. Kirk's death was a punch in the gut no matter how it'd happen. And the two really had no chemistry together. Much as I love Kirk...he just seemed like bloated William Shatner on a horse getting his ring kissed. Picard just seemed so much more real. I think Moore and Braga and Berman didn't give us enough credit in thinking we needed Kirk there at all. JJ with Nimoy I can sort of see a little bit, but only because Spock Prime did more than cameo in the movie - even if Nimoy wasn't there, the part was that of an older Spock/Quinto. Kirk on the other hand could have been any ol' guy stuck in the Nexus willing to do Picard a solid.
I digress.
I think the problem was that the two captains didn't need to be there together at all. Kirk's death was a punch in the gut no matter how it'd happen. And the two really had no chemistry together. Much as I love Kirk...he just seemed like bloated William Shatner on a horse getting his ring kissed. Picard just seemed so much more real. I think Moore and Braga and Berman didn't give us enough credit in thinking we needed Kirk there at all. JJ with Nimoy I can sort of see a little bit, but only because Spock Prime did more than cameo in the movie - even if Nimoy wasn't there, the part was that of an older Spock/Quinto. Kirk on the other hand could have been any ol' guy stuck in the Nexus willing to do Picard a solid.
I digress.
If I have to keep the Nexus...
The obvious solution would be to stage the climax of the film on the Enterprise-B. Have Picard suggest going back to Veridian III, and Kirk suggests a different approach to solving the problem.
I always thought that it would have been more interesting had Kirk survived the final fight. But when he and Picard look at their piece of work and exchange some final words, Picard sees the shuttle of the Enterprise-D passing by, turns around to Kirk... and Kirk's gone.
McCoy and Spock should have been there, instead of Scotty and Chekov. You can clearly see that Chekov is actually McCoy's part, while Scotty's unusual technobabble about the Nexus better fits Spock.
I never really liked the sailing ship scene. And after having seen TNG: Family recently, I dislike that they killed off Picard's entire family in a few sentences.
And when I saw the trailer for the first time, I got that exciting vibe that Kirk might be commanding the Enterprise-D for a short period of time. That would have been nice, too.
McCoy and Spock should have been there, instead of Scotty and Chekov. You can clearly see that Chekov is actually McCoy's part, while Scotty's unusual technobabble about the Nexus better fits Spock.
I never really liked the sailing ship scene. And after having seen TNG: Family recently, I dislike that they killed off Picard's entire family in a few sentences.
And when I saw the trailer for the first time, I got that exciting vibe that Kirk might be commanding the Enterprise-D for a short period of time. That would have been nice, too.
Some fairly incoherant thoughts...
How's about Kirk dies saving a planet anyone has ever heard of/that anyone cares about?
Vulcan? Maybe Earth? Kirk should have been on the bridge of the 1701-D for a while too. Maybe Picard is trapped on the planet and Kirk has to convince the TNG crew to follow his (seemingly suicidal) orders.
Crash the ship into a city! It would have cost too much, but imagine a panicked Enterprise hailing a big metropolis on earth to evacuate...and then the saucer plows though an ultra built-up megacity like the STXI version of San Fransisco. Crash! Kaboom!
How's about Kirk dies saving a planet anyone has ever heard of/that anyone cares about?
Vulcan? Maybe Earth? Kirk should have been on the bridge of the 1701-D for a while too. Maybe Picard is trapped on the planet and Kirk has to convince the TNG crew to follow his (seemingly suicidal) orders.
Crash the ship into a city! It would have cost too much, but imagine a panicked Enterprise hailing a big metropolis on earth to evacuate...and then the saucer plows though an ultra built-up megacity like the STXI version of San Fransisco. Crash! Kaboom!
You can't really fix the Nexus.
If you make it too trippy and out there, it would not fit the tone of the rest of the movie. Besides, different from eps like "Emissary" or "Desparate Measures", there was nothing really to do in the Nexus, other than making Kirk leave and help.
But without the Nexus, the whole story collapses. It ties everything together, it's a reasonable explanation for Soran's actions and a vehicle to involve Guinan plus add some "metaphysical" element (which worked well in other ST movies).
It would have been better to have made a more standard story . Kirk is thrown into the future. Hates it there at first, dislikes stiff Picard, then learns to like the 24th century and he and Picard kick ass together.
A Kirk/Scotty reunion in the 24th century would have been nice too.
No horses!
If you make it too trippy and out there, it would not fit the tone of the rest of the movie. Besides, different from eps like "Emissary" or "Desparate Measures", there was nothing really to do in the Nexus, other than making Kirk leave and help.
But without the Nexus, the whole story collapses. It ties everything together, it's a reasonable explanation for Soran's actions and a vehicle to involve Guinan plus add some "metaphysical" element (which worked well in other ST movies).
It would have been better to have made a more standard story . Kirk is thrown into the future. Hates it there at first, dislikes stiff Picard, then learns to like the 24th century and he and Picard kick ass together.
A Kirk/Scotty reunion in the 24th century would have been nice too.
No horses!
I had the idea that after the saucer has separated and Riker and co. are plummeting towards the planet, Kirk steers the warp core breaching Enterprise-D into the flight path of the missile that Soran has fired.
Oh wow. Seriously, I love that idea. Though it'd have the same problems as Data's sacrifice: just beam him out of there in time!
Ah, no. if you care about life, then some backwater planet is as important as any other.
I have a lot of grumbles about Generations, but Kirk dying to save a few billion people on a planet we've never heard of, and will probably never hear about again... that's not one of them.
Kirk saved a planet he'd never visited: that's Kirk being a hero.
I always missed a scene where Picard gets the chance inside the Nexus to say goodbye to his brother. Because THIS is what true luck means in the face of death, at least in my opinion. He doesn't have to be revived by pushing the magical reset button, but for Picard's sake and hapiness it would have been nice to give him the chance of seeing his brother for the last time.
It's also dramatically unsatisfying.
Now, where did I put that reworked ending....?
Ah, here it is:
Ah, here it is:
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