"Batman 3" and "Superman" both in 2012 -- and in IMAX?

[Admiral_Young]

^ I've stated my reasons in previous "Spider-Man" reboot threads (are there even threads?) why I'm not totally embracing this this. I'll repeat them again though. Spider-Man is not grim and gritty. Yes he has angst but it is not a large part of his character and when I read angst along with grim and gritty I cringe and shudder.

 

[GalaxyX]

Why are they rebooting Spiderman?

I thought Tobey McGuire was fine as Spidey, then just need to tone down the emo bitch stuff out of the next Spiderman movie, and have him act like an adult and not a whiney teen.

 

[Trent Roman]

^ Then you'll be thrilled to learn that the reason they're rebooting Spiderman is so they can spend more time with him as a whiny teen.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman

 

[Admiral_Young]

^^ Basically what Trent Roman just stated and again if you can find the "Spider-Man 4" thread you'll get all the grizzly details on why they're rebooting "Spider-Man". I'm surprised there are people that don't know the details already. Or do a google search .

 

[JacksonArcher]

For some reason, I'm not sure why...I actually want the Spider-Man reboot to fail.

I hope it is good. I think Marc Webb is a talented director. However, if I were a betting man, I wouldn't bet on its chances. Being sandwiched between Star Trek 2 and Batman 3 is almost like wanting a death wish.

 

[startrekrcks]

didn't we not see him as a teen in the first Spiderman that's why I don't think this reboot will be good.

 

[Captaindemotion]

For some reason, I'm not sure why...I actually want the Spider-Man reboot to fail.

I hope it is good. I think Marc Webb is a talented director. However, if I were a betting man, I wouldn't bet on its chances. Being sandwiched between Star Trek 2 and Batman 3 is almost like wanting a death wish.

I'm too lazy to check the figures but I'm pretty sure that even the JJ Abrams ST movie took nowhere near as much money as any of the Sam Raimi Spider-man movies.

Also, TDK is the only Batmovie to make as much as or more money than the Spider-man trilogy.

I think the webslinger (and the Webb-helmer) will hold his own rightly in the face of this competition.

 

[JacksonArcher]

For some reason, I'm not sure why...I actually want the Spider-Man reboot to fail.

I hope it is good. I think Marc Webb is a talented director. However, if I were a betting man, I wouldn't bet on its chances. Being sandwiched between Star Trek 2 and Batman 3 is almost like wanting a death wish.

I'm too lazy to check the figures but I'm pretty sure that even the JJ Abrams ST movie took nowhere near as much money as any of the Sam Raimi Spider-man movies.

Also, TDK is the only Batmovie to make as much as or more money than the Spider-man trilogy.

I think the webslinger (and the Webb-helmer) will hold his own rightly in the face of this competition.

Well, while Spider-Man 3 was very successful, it did leave a bad taste in people's mouths. Furthermore, this is an entirely new version, with an entirely new cast, only five years after the last movie.

Allegedly the production budget is $80 million (far more reduced than the budget for even the first Spider-Man film, which came out nine years ago), with the intent to limit the action sequences and make more of an emphasis on Peter Parker and his high school troubles than his troubles dealing with the film's supervillain. Basically, Sony are trying to capitalize on the success of the Twilight series by amping up the teen angst, for a fraction of the cost, hoping it will achieve the same success.

I don't know about you, but I don't have high hopes. I mean, like I said, I have faith in Marc Webb, he's a very talented director, but this is not Sam Raimi's Spider-Man, which connected with audiences. This is an entirely new version of Spider-Man, which might not connect with audiences.

On the other hand, Star Trek 2 is coming off the soaring success of the first film, so I have a feeling it will earn even more at the box office, and Batman 3 is coming off a hugely successful last film, with anticipation at an all-time high, being the third in a series (and if we follow the recent trend, a la Spider-Man 3, X-Men: The Last Stand and The Bourne Ultimatum, third installments are proving to be the most successful financially as of late in a series, as they were individually the most financially successful in their respective franchises).

The Spider-Man reboot is a unique prospect because so much is unsure... I don't think it is fair to compare it to the Raimi films since so much is unproven and undecided at this point.

 

[startrekrcks]

We will just have to wait and see what the Spiderman reboot will be like hopefully it will be good.

 

[Broccoli]

didn't we not see him as a teen in the first Spiderman that's why I don't think this reboot will be good.

Flawless logic.

Being sandwiched between Star Trek 2 and Batman 3 is almost like wanting a death wish.

They are re-releasing Wrath of Khan?

 

[JacksonArcher]

They are re-releasing Wrath of Khan?

In Internet circles and people that I know outside of this forum, it is being referred to as Star Trek 2. Us fans can get all technical and call it Star Trek XII as much as we want, but most people don't even remember Star Trek II and in a lot of respects Abrams' Star Trek was seen by most people as a reboot anyway (I can't tell you how many times I saw a review or news article call it a reboot of the series, regardless of it being more of a sequel than a full-on reboot), or at least setting off a new wave of movies, so I understand the 2 moniker.

 

[Broccoli]

I know. I'm just giving you a hard time.

That being said, I refuse to call it Star Trek 2.

 

[Admiral James Kirk]

I know. I'm just giving you a hard time.

That being said, I refuse to call it Star Trek 2.

That being said, I insist on calling it Star Trek 2. If we call it Star Trek XII we put it in the same movie series as Generations, Insurrection and Nemesis and dammit I... will... not... do... that!

 

[A beaker full of death]

most people don't even remember Star Trek II

Visit Earth much?

 

[JacksonArcher]

most people don't even remember Star Trek II

Visit Earth much?

Star Trek II came out in 1982, almost 30 years ago. Most people I talk to, who are admittedly somewhat young with sometimes no idea what what Star Trek is, have no clue about The Wrath of Khan or remember it when I bring it up. They can even be moderate sci-fi fans and I bring it up and I get a confused reaction. Hard to believe, but not everybody is an erudite Star Trek fan like us on this board.

 

[Dream]

most people don't even remember Star Trek II

Visit Earth much?

Star Trek II came out in 1982, almost 30 years ago. Most people I talk to, who are admittedly somewhat young with sometimes no idea what what Star Trek is, have no clue about The Wrath of Khan or remember it when I bring it up. They can even be moderate sci-fi fans and I bring it up and I get a confused reaction.

The first Star Wars movie on the other hand...

 

[D Man]

Let's just say that Star Trek 2 is a different title than Star Trek II, problem solved.

I'm really excited that a date's finally been set for Batman 3. Nolan hasn't let me down yet, Batman films or otherwise, so I think it's going to be great. Spider-Man I'm lukewarm on, but I'll give it a shot. Should be good by default, though, given the director's name.

 

[Ceridwen]

The article lastly mentions that WB IS trying to build to that heavily rumored Justice League movie, which like Marvel is building towards The Avengers. The current idea is that Batman Begins is "Action Comics #1" -- so the first issue, and the first time a superhero has come onto the scene. The next issue would be The Dark Knight. Issue #3?

Apparently that will be Martin Campbell's Green Lantern. There are rumors that the movie will mention Gotham City and might even acknowledge Batman himself. Of course after Issue #3 the next in the series will be Batman 3 and then of course Superman. WB is trying to build a universe of superheroes, but in a believable manner, which would mean that Christian Bale's Batman shares a universe with Ryan Reynolds' Green Lantern and whomever they cast as the next Superman.

Thoughts?

God, I hope not. The Avengers plan has already hamstrung the directors of Marvel's films (look at Jon Favreau's recent comments to that effect). It makes the commercial nature of these films just that much more transparent when, instead of just telling their own stories, they're also beholden to act as advertisements for completely different franchises.

I mean, really, can you imagine The Dark Knight with scenes like those ridiculous Avengers shout-outs? (Seriously, Sam Jackson's cameo in Iron Man only survives by rule of cool, and it's after the credits so you can ignore it if you want. Tony Stark appearing in The Incredible Hulk was just embarrassing.) Half-way through the film Christian Bale bumps into Ryan Reynolds in a bar and dude's all like "Hey, heard about your Joker problem. You should call Superman, broheim." Ugh.

Let Batman be Batman, let Superman be Superman. If Justice League can somehow be budgeted well enough to bring in the stars of all these films and have the special effects to pull it off, more power to it I guess, but there's no reason the other films have to include stupid product placement for it.

 

[JacksonArcher]

Visit Earth much?

Star Trek II came out in 1982, almost 30 years ago. Most people I talk to, who are admittedly somewhat young with sometimes no idea what what Star Trek is, have no clue about The Wrath of Khan or remember it when I bring it up. They can even be moderate sci-fi fans and I bring it up and I get a confused reaction.

The first Star Wars movie on the other hand...

Star Wars is infinitely more popular than Star Trek II.

 

[Char Aznable]

I mean, really, can you imagine The Dark Knight with scenes like those ridiculous Avengers shout-outs? (Seriously, Sam Jackson's cameo in Iron Man only survives by rule of cool, and it's after the credits so you can ignore it if you want. Tony Stark appearing in The Incredible Hulk was just embarrassing.) Half-way through the film Christian Bale bumps into Ryan Reynolds in a bar and dude's all like "Hey, heard about your Joker problem. You should call Superman, broheim." Ugh.

Wow. Considering people in my theatre were applauding when Stark made his cameo, you certainly have the minority opinion with that one. Those cool cameos and tie-ins are what make this particular series of movies interesting. The fact that these movies share a continuity and history is capitalizing of the very thing that helped make Marvel Comics back in the day.