Damn straight.
Who disregards the continuity after the Kirk era?
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Damn straight.
Yup, that's how I view it as well. I've never seen it put more aptly.
Everything's canon... except for movies 1 to 4 and 6 to 11.
I did the same thing with my own chronology - TOS (based on the episodes) holds together pretty well as a series of events in the EARLY 23rd century. Even the first season of TNG fits into this pattern.
The Okuda's approach of taking TNG as the focal point and looking back to TOS meant that a lot of TOS' events had to be shoehorned in.
The major headache turning point was in the TNG episode "The Neutral Zone" when Data gave the year as 2364. From that point onward I consider TNG to be it's own continuity, which solves a lot of TNG's own continuity problems (for example, the Ferengi).
Well, I'm what you'd call a 'treknologist', meaning I'm more concerned with the technology of Trek.
I watch and like (for the most part) TOS, TNG, DS9, parts of Enterprise… but my 'personal canon' is centered around my trek tech hobbies. As far as that's concerned I acknowledge only TOS - TVH. I use TMP as the epicenter of my technology 'base'. Meaning I assume that depiction of trek technology to be the most accurate. (Due mainly to the ship and it's internal design to be the most consistent and believable at that point.)
I map TMP technology and design back over TOS, modifying things as needed to conform, and forward through TVH as needed to conform. I don't absolutely say TUC through TNG-era* or didn't happen, just that from where I like to work from it hasn't happened yet. I can't include TUC without letting in TFF, which from a trek tech standpoint there are just way too many issues with. As well TUC has some issues with TNG tech being introduced too soon into a believable technology timeline. But in any case I don't acknowledge them because I don't want my tech hobbies to be beholden to those shows because I don't necessarily like the evolution of tech as shown there and don't want to design things with the demand they must one day turn into what's shown in future shows.
But none of this prevents me from watching and enjoying later trek (so long as it's good) but I just don't regard it as having happened for my hobby.
* As an in-joke I used to entertain the notion that TNG era trek, and Enterprise, were maybe "sci-fi" tv shows made in Kirks time.
I watch and like (for the most part) TOS, TNG, DS9, parts of Enterprise… but my 'personal canon' is centered around my trek tech hobbies. As far as that's concerned I acknowledge only TOS - TVH. I use TMP as the epicenter of my technology 'base'. Meaning I assume that depiction of trek technology to be the most accurate. (Due mainly to the ship and it's internal design to be the most consistent and believable at that point.)
I map TMP technology and design back over TOS, modifying things as needed to conform, and forward through TVH as needed to conform. I don't absolutely say TUC through TNG-era* or didn't happen, just that from where I like to work from it hasn't happened yet. I can't include TUC without letting in TFF, which from a trek tech standpoint there are just way too many issues with. As well TUC has some issues with TNG tech being introduced too soon into a believable technology timeline. But in any case I don't acknowledge them because I don't want my tech hobbies to be beholden to those shows because I don't necessarily like the evolution of tech as shown there and don't want to design things with the demand they must one day turn into what's shown in future shows.
But none of this prevents me from watching and enjoying later trek (so long as it's good) but I just don't regard it as having happened for my hobby.
* As an in-joke I used to entertain the notion that TNG era trek, and Enterprise, were maybe "sci-fi" tv shows made in Kirks time.
That's always been how I saw it. They seemed to take TNG as the foundation and anchor point rather than TOS. Very ass backwards.
I think something like TNG happened in TOS' continuity, but not exactly as we saw.
But when it comes down to it I ignore most of what happened after TMP.
My "personal cannnon"
Please, more "n"s.
Personally, I'm going to start spelling "canon" with a "k".
Anyway, continuity is irrevelant. Kanon is futile. All bets are off, now that the franchise is in new hands. J.J., and the future makers of Trek will produce it as they see fit. We have the choice of going along for the ride, or getting off the bus.
I'm not going to whine and complain if future Trek doesn't go the way I think it should. There are more important things to worry about.
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This is pretty much how I think as well, except I disregard TAS.
You folks that have created ST chronologies...have you ever posted them? I always thought it'd be neat if someone did a new version of the original Tech Manual...maybe using scans from the old Trek mag from the 90's that all sorts of cool tech stuff. Basically something with purty graphics.
I have a chronology with some photoshop images. Send me an email and I'll send it to you.You folks that have created ST chronologies...have you ever posted them? I always thought it'd be neat if someone did a new version of the original Tech Manual...maybe using scans from the old Trek mag from the 90's that all sorts of cool tech stuff. Basically something with purty graphics.
Or you can download it from here: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=QJ9688MW
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There's no law, not even in Trekdom the requires people to like all the series or movies...however, I'm happily a fan of all the shows, though its very easy for me to determine which shows and episodes are better than others. Not liking any of the shows after TOS is really missing out on a lot of good stories...I estimate (for myself) out of the 79 episodes of TOS, probably half are good to great. STNG probably 100-110 out of 178 are good to great (easily a greater total than the WHOLE of TOS). Probably 80 to 90 of 170 odd episodes of DS9 is good to great...with lesser percentages for the other two shows. If you add them all up though, there are 300-400 good ST stories out there that you are not letting into your narrow vision of ST.
RAMA
^^ Narrow to you. Focused to him.
For me Star Trek TOS is Star Trek. The rest are adaptations. I don't feel I'm missing anything by ignoring them.
I've seen all the films except only bits of NEM (Yuch).
I've seen all of TNG.
I've seen most of DS9 (about 60-70%).
I've seen perhaps a quarter of VOY).
I've seen about a quarter of ENT.
TNG and DS9 had some good segments. If I put all the stuff I liked from both series I might get maybe three seasons worth.
If it doesn't interest you then you're not missing anything.
For me Star Trek TOS is Star Trek. The rest are adaptations. I don't feel I'm missing anything by ignoring them.
I've seen all the films except only bits of NEM (Yuch).
I've seen all of TNG.
I've seen most of DS9 (about 60-70%).
I've seen perhaps a quarter of VOY).
I've seen about a quarter of ENT.
TNG and DS9 had some good segments. If I put all the stuff I liked from both series I might get maybe three seasons worth.
If it doesn't interest you then you're not missing anything.
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Continuity, to me, defers to whatever came first. For instance, when Spock says that Vulcan has no moon, and then TMP shows a big ol' honkin' moon in the background of the Vulcan scene, TMP is wrong. Apparently, they agreed for the Director's Cut...
So is the animated ep "Yesteryear," in which Spock instructs the Giant Lopsided Time Bagel -- I mean the Guardian of Forever -- to send him "thirty Vulcan years past, the month of Tazmin (sp?)." If Vulcan has no moon, why would their calendar have months?
I just disregard any shit that bores or irritates me. That includes some of TOS, a lot of what goes on in Trek movies and various stuff throughout the Franchise.
Ahhh, personal canon.
I like the idea of personal canon. I want a couple on my front porch so I can blast whatever takes a dump on my grass.
I like the idea of personal canon. I want a couple on my front porch so I can blast whatever takes a dump on my grass.
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