Michael A Martin's Romulan War novel described the Daedalus class as being a precursor to the NX series, this is rather an odd suggestion and conflicts with canon. Another thing that makes me wonder is that he described as per Spock's words from TOS Balance of Terror that the ships used were primitive and less advanced. Some people who have read the book suggest the ships that followed the NX series like the Constitution class were less advanced, however is that what Michael is saying or was he saying that between NX and Kirk's era the ships were inferior but became more technologically superior by the Constitution?
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What do you mean? Didn't it come after the NX class?
Earth's fleet was intentionally made less advanced to evade the Romulans' telecapture devices.
I never liked this workaround, it feels stretched... But Martin had to obey TEH CANON!!11!!!
God, I'm sometimes actually pretty happy that Trek got rebooted...
There is nothing at all in canon to say when the Daedalus-class was launched.
The Enterprise novels Daedalus and Daedalus' Children feature flashbacks to the launch of the Daedalus something like 15 years prior to the NX01's launch.
Other Enterprise novels mention crew, like Donna O'Neill, served on Daedalus-class ships before joining the Enterprise crew.
The videogame Star Trek Legacy has Daedalus-class ships ferrying supplies during the Romulan War.
The Enterprise novels Daedalus and Daedalus' Children feature flashbacks to the launch of the Daedalus something like 15 years prior to the NX01's launch.
Other Enterprise novels mention crew, like Donna O'Neill, served on Daedalus-class ships before joining the Enterprise crew.
The videogame Star Trek Legacy has Daedalus-class ships ferrying supplies during the Romulan War.
I've always assumed that the Daedalus class was the successor to the NX class. The Constitution class is far superior to the NX series in every way, I hope people reading this book won't think otherwise. I don't think it was Martin's intention to suggest that.
I was just worried that Martin was being critical of TOS designs or if he was merely stated that the inferior less advanced ships were before the Constitution class. He doesn't say that all future Starfleet designs will look retro but he does say the ones used for the Romulan War will be. It's something like 90 plus years from the war to Kirk's era so I'd think the NX class would be far outdated by such time.
The Kelvin blows Michael Martin's theory out of the water!
As anyone who has read Michael A Martin's book, The Romulan War Beneath the Raptor's Wing, is aware he proposed a theory as to why TOS looked aesthetically different and ''inferior'' to the NX class starships. However as we now have canonical evidence to the contrary in the form of the USS Kelvin. The Kelvin clearly shows that Starfleet did not in fact make ships ''less advanced'' by any standards which then transcribes both onto the Constitution class from Kirk's era.
As anyone who has read Michael A Martin's book, The Romulan War Beneath the Raptor's Wing, is aware he proposed a theory as to why TOS looked aesthetically different and ''inferior'' to the NX class starships. However as we now have canonical evidence to the contrary in the form of the USS Kelvin. The Kelvin clearly shows that Starfleet did not in fact make ships ''less advanced'' by any standards which then transcribes both onto the Constitution class from Kirk's era.
Actually this was dealing with the fact that the TOS set's were designed on a 1960s TV budget while ENT was made on a 2000s TV budget.
Well the Mirror NXs would probably be more advanced then their Primeverse counterparts due to the Terran Empire conquering their more advanced neighbors while the United Earth used the tech they came up with on their own. So a Connie would flash fry a Prime Universe NX.
No, actually the ship in those books was not a Daedalus class starship. It was a one-off prototype ship with a space-fold engine that just happened to be named "Daedalus."
He's not being critical of anything; as Mach5 stated, the authors are having to work around how things were portrayed in ENTERPRISE. Basically, because the Daedalus class is smaller and less advanced, it would be easier and faster to build more of them instead of more NX class ships. And looking at them, I'd agree.
Also factor in the truth that the little tabletop model that we all assume is the Daedalus class has never been proven canonically to actually be that class. Plus, real tabletop models of ships, planes, etc. usually get many details wrong about the real vehicle they are representing. If the model really was supposed to represent that class, the real article might look very different.
Although not explicity said to be the first of the class, the Daedalus Daedalus was a testbed for the CID drive, which failed - and perhaps like transwarp testbed Excelsior, the class was still used, presumably with standard warp drives. That's why the Daedalus-class ships mentioned in the Chronology show up in books published after Daedalus.
They probably left it a little vague in case the TV series (which was still on at the time) wanted to do a Daedalus episode itself, and IIRC the book had to be rewritten a little just before publication to comply with the then-recently-aired "First Flight".
And besides, they couldn't exactly put at the end of the book "and that brave little Daedalus went on to be the first of the ships you read about in the Star Trek Chronology".
They probably left it a little vague in case the TV series (which was still on at the time) wanted to do a Daedalus episode itself, and IIRC the book had to be rewritten a little just before publication to comply with the then-recently-aired "First Flight".
And besides, they couldn't exactly put at the end of the book "and that brave little Daedalus went on to be the first of the ships you read about in the Star Trek Chronology".
The problem is that the description of the prototype ship in "Deadalus" sounds nothing like the Starfleet Daedalus class design.
I don't recall the ships' design or shape being mentioned at all in either of the novels. It was left up to the imagination and ultimately the reader to decide if it was "the" Daedalus. I may be misremembering - it was quite a while ago that I read them.
Remember that as the CID prototype the Daedalus may not have had traditional warp nacelles. They could have been a retrofit to the design after CID failed.
Remember that as the CID prototype the Daedalus may not have had traditional warp nacelles. They could have been a retrofit to the design after CID failed.
The simple factor in this is that the books are not canon, so the reason TOS designs differ from ENT is purely unexplained in canon, left to the imagination, where it is best to judge. It was most likely just a change in stylistic choice. I really want to see a canon depiction of the Romulan war, whether that be a live action series or an animated one. It's an area that the continuity has badly neglected.
^ Agreed. I'd love to see a Romulan War series.
About the ship: We have absolutely no idea - canonically speaking - WHAT the Daedalus class looks like, or how advanced it is. For all we know it could be the super advanced "next generation" NX. (NY?)
About the ship: We have absolutely no idea - canonically speaking - WHAT the Daedalus class looks like, or how advanced it is. For all we know it could be the super advanced "next generation" NX. (NY?)
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