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5x02 The Beast Below (Grading/Discussion) (SPOILERS!)

What do you think about the episode?


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I thought they had toned the theme down a little bit this week, but I A/B'd them on iPlayer and they both sound the same. Maybe the new theme is just growing on me.
The Dolby Digital 5.1 mix on the HD broadcast is definitely altered, I just played last weeks back again to be certain. The first mix almost sounds like it has been over compressed, like a sub 128mbps MP3, really quite lame. This week it sounds much more bombastic, the channels are nicely balanced for a more dynamic sound. I'm only talking about the theme here, as both episodes have had terrific DD 5.1 mixes thus far. Can't wait for DTS HD on the Blu-ray's to come, but the DD is excellent for now!
 
And what did Timmy do to get scolded by the Smiler like that in the classroom? I don't know about anyone else, but that was the saddest part of the episode for me, when all the kids got let off 'cept him. :(
 
Mmh, over all, not very good, I'm afraid. There were a lot of interesting concepts and themes (like choices, is it better to forget your own pain) but somehow nothing was really fleshed out. At no time did it feel as if there was a real danger. Liz Ten appeared conveniently to save them, then the Smilers conveniently appeared to explain everything and then Amy conveniently figures everything out. The pacing was uneven, too.

The story doesn't really add up, either. The whale thing was so bad that Amy rather chose to forget everything instead of asking the Doctor for help? I find that hard to believe. Or maybe she's really faint-hearted. Why was the whale enslaved in the first place? Why was a police state installed and why did the Doctor know immediately that there was a police state? Why was the UK left behind on Earth while the other nations obviously developed some sort of star travel? Why didn't the UK use their drive system? I could go on. Someone else said it felt like a first draft and I agree.

I loved Moffat's episodes in previous seasons but his two episodes so far weren't that good. I hope it'll get better.

I'm still not sold on the Doctor and Amy. They kind of lack screen presence, in my opinion. Matt Smith at least has his moments but Karen Gillan seems a bit bland to me, a bit like Freema Agyeman.
 
And what did Timmy do to get scolded by the Smiler like that in the classroom? I don't know about anyone else, but that was the saddest part of the episode for me, when all the kids got let off 'cept him. :(

He got a zero, presumably in a test of some sort.

Fairly average episode to be honest. There was nothing particularly bad about it, but then there was nothing particularly great about it either. As long as an episode is better than the godawful Peter Kay one i'm happy enough. Next weeks looks rather interesting too.
 
on a minor note the sonic screwdriver seems very back & bulky, still if he changed his jacket so it has pockets that are bigger on the inside, its not an issue.
 
Average.
Why did the doctor send Amy to wonder off five minutes into her first TARDIS ride?
Why did they keep the queen in suspended animation just to wake her up and let her wander around for ten years. It seems rather pointless.
Where were they going that they still needed the whale after the cleared the sun's rays?
The smilers didn't make much sense other then to have something scary. Neither was the UK being left behind when even the Scottish could build their own ship.
 
I thought they had toned the theme down a little bit this week, but I A/B'd them on iPlayer and they both sound the same. Maybe the new theme is just growing on me.
The Dolby Digital 5.1 mix on the HD broadcast is definitely altered, I just played last weeks back again to be certain. The first mix almost sounds like it has been over compressed, like a sub 128mbps MP3, really quite lame. This week it sounds much more bombastic, the channels are nicely balanced for a more dynamic sound. I'm only talking about the theme here, as both episodes have had terrific DD 5.1 mixes thus far. Can't wait for DTS HD on the Blu-ray's to come, but the DD is excellent for now!

I'm watching the broadcasts in SD freeview through Pro Logic II, and procuring them in HD afterwards - I definitely noticed a difference. Totally agreed that it sounded more bombastic tonight, the mix seemed to have more breathing room and didn't sound as muddy.

Neither was the UK being left behind when even the Scottish could build their own ship.

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Why did they keep the queen in suspended animation just to wake her up and let her wander around for ten years. It seems rather pointless.

They didn't. The queen was awake and reigning all that time. Every ten years she chose to forget rather than abdicate.

Where were they going that they still needed the whale after the cleared the sun's rays?

Earth's a burnt out husk at this stage. They are looking for a permanent home.
 
on a minor note the sonic screwdriver seems very back & bulky, still if he changed his jacket so it has pockets that are bigger on the inside, its not an issue.
I always suspected his pockets are bigger on the indide :lol:

The only thing that made me cringe during the episode was the zoom on the crack on the ship at the end of the episode. I mean OK, we got a big clue in the first episode, it was almost yelled at us. And they keep insisting in this episode. I noticed the crack as soon as it appeared on screen, there was no need to zoom :scream:

Another question: how many times did the Doctor visit World War II? It'll be the second time since the series revival, right? :D Don't we risk collapsing the galaxy or something?
 
The only thing that made me cringe during the episode was the zoom on the crack on the ship at the end of the episode. I mean OK, we got a big clue in the first episode, it was almost yelled at us. And they keep insisting in this episode. I noticed the crack as soon as it appeared on screen, there was no need to zoom :scream:


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They explained that she was being kept alive through some sort of cellular regeneration, didn't they? Certainly was no mention of keeping her in stasis.
 
on a minor note the sonic screwdriver seems very back & bulky, still if he changed his jacket so it has pockets that are bigger on the inside, its not an issue.
I always suspected his pockets are bigger on the indide :lol:
it is confirmed that his pockets are bigger on the inside in "The Runaway Bride" the problem is the Doctor stole this jacket, its of human design & build, it would not naturally be "bigger on the inside" which makes me wonder if the Doctor can make something bigger on the inside, would that not solve some of his problems?

The only thing that made me cringe during the episode was the zoom on the crack on the ship at the end of the episode. I mean OK, we got a big clue in the first episode, it was almost yelled at us. And they keep insisting in this episode. I noticed the crack as soon as it appeared on screen, there was no need to zoom :scream:
I totally misread that, I thought it was that the Star Ship was about to break, and the star wheel would be seen by the general public, forcing the whole of Starship United Kingdom to deal with the moral issue of the space whale.
 
They 'slowed her body clock', whatever that's supposed to mean. It could be something like stasis but it wasn't explained at all.

That's one of the problems the episode had - introducing a lot of things that weren't really fleshed out or thought through.

Wouldn't it be a bit awkward when the Queen makes references to being in power for 10 years instead of centuries, e.g. at ceremonies or in speeches?
 
Also, is the exodus from Earth in the 29th century intended to be the same one referred to way back in the Fourth Doctor story The Ark in Space, where Earth was abandoned for about ten thousand years? If so, that's a major blunder in continuity, as many past stories depict Earth as still inhabited and powerful in the timeframe this story is set in. Mavic Chen was the Guardian of the Terran Solar System in the year 4000 (The Dalek's Master Plan), and there were still plenty of nations existing on the planet by the beginning of the 51st century, as we know from The Talons of Weng Chiang. Is Earth mentioned at all in Planet of the Ood, set in the 42nd century?

Yep, that's a major continuity cat-pigeon situation. It does sound like these solar flares are the ones from the back plot of Ark in Space, and the 29th Century line almost certainly comes from Ark as well (the Doctor looks at a 'Bennett oscillator' and says it was built in the 29th century - it's debateable whetehr this is an original feature of Nerva Beacon when it was first built, or something added when it was refitted into the Ark).
But having the solar flares happen in the 29th century (though possibly consistent with The Ice Warriors) does cause problems: Earth should be abandoned for more than 10,000 years (at least), yet clearly isn't in 4000 (Dalek Masterplan) and 5000 (Talons of Weng Chiang, Invisible Enemy, Empty Child...).

Planet of the Ood? If the Ood Sphere's in the same system as the Sense-Sphere (which humanity got to in the 28th Century), then the 41st Century date doesn't really make sense anyway (unless you reckon it took 1300 years for another Earth expedition to find that system. Possible, but doesn't quite fit with Masterplan, where Earth [and its allies] seems to control most of our galaxy in 4000).

Mind you, try reconciling Talons and Invisible Enemy - two stories apart, but toally different depictions of 5000AD (About Time has a good go, but it's not entirely convincing).
 
Also, is the exodus from Earth in the 29th century intended to be the same one referred to way back in the Fourth Doctor story The Ark in Space, where Earth was abandoned for about ten thousand years? If so, that's a major blunder in continuity, as many past stories depict Earth as still inhabited and powerful in the timeframe this story is set in. Mavic Chen was the Guardian of the Terran Solar System in the year 4000 (The Dalek's Master Plan), and there were still plenty of nations existing on the planet by the beginning of the 51st century, as we know from The Talons of Weng Chiang. Is Earth mentioned at all in Planet of the Ood, set in the 42nd century?

Yep, that's a major continuity cat-pigeon situation. It does sound like these solar flares are the ones from the back plot of Ark in Space, and the 29th Century line almost certainly comes from Ark as well (the Doctor looks at a 'Bennett oscillator' and says it was built in the 29th century - it's debateable whetehr this is an original feature of Nerva Beacon when it was first built, or something added when it was refitted into the Ark).
But having the solar flares happen in the 29th century (though possibly consistent with The Ice Warriors) does cause problems: Earth should be abandoned for more than 10,000 years (at least), yet clearly isn't in 4000 (Dalek Masterplan) and 5000 (Talons of Weng Chiang, Invisible Enemy, Empty Child...).

Planet of the Ood? If the Ood Sphere's in the same system as the Sense-Sphere (which humanity got to in the 28th Century), then the 41st Century date doesn't really make sense anyway (unless you reckon it took 1300 years for another Earth expedition to find that system. Possible, but doesn't quite fit with Masterplan, where Earth [and its allies] seems to control most of our galaxy in 4000).

Mind you, try reconciling Talons and Invisible Enemy - two stories apart, but toally different depictions of 5000AD (About Time has a good go, but it's not entirely convincing).

Nope; no continuity error at all. The Doctor changes things; for example; the "Arc in Space" is in a "past future" that will now never happen; Because the Doctor (and Master) changed the "past".
 
I didn't really understand why the death of the whale meant instant death for everyone. Wouldn't they just be floating around on a dead whale?
 
Nope; no continuity error at all. The Doctor changes things; for example; the "Arc in Space" is in a "past future" that will now never happen; Because the Doctor (and Master) changed the "past".
Yeah, just imagine that the Doctor's timeline is the linear one and everything just about makes sense.
 
To be fair, by this point, any notion of continuity can be thrown out. They couldn't even keep it up in Friends, a ten season comedy show, let alone Doctor Who.
 
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