I know Bjo and her katra ain't going anywhere soon! She knows people who can meld.
The new Concordance (again) and ST: Of Gods and Men
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I know Bjo and her katra ain't going anywhere soon! She knows people who can meld.
Including every episode that has TOS elements in it would basically mean including the entire Trek canon, since everything grew out of TOS. The second Concordance only included those non-TOS episodes and films that featured TOS cast members reprising their roles. For instance, it didn't include TNG's "The Naked Now" even though that featured the Psi 2000 virus from "The Naked Time" and a direct reference to Kirk. Following the actors rather than the concepts seems like the smarter way to go for this edition as well.
Oy.
Let's look at it this way.
If a given episode expands upon something that started in TOS, it gets in. Just having a Vulcan there doesn't do it (thus why Dr. Selar isn't making the cut), but expanding upon parts of Vulcan history that first got mentioned in TOS, like the arc featuring T'Pau and Surak, that gets in.
The new movie doesn't really expand our knowledge of anything in TOS; in fact, much of it directly contradicts what we do know. By its own admission, it's a whole new timeline, so if anything, it belongs in its own book. Probably wouldn't make for as big a book as the new Concordance is looking to be, but better to start off with its own reference work, especially since there's only one movie to work with so far.
Let's look at it this way.
If a given episode expands upon something that started in TOS, it gets in. Just having a Vulcan there doesn't do it (thus why Dr. Selar isn't making the cut), but expanding upon parts of Vulcan history that first got mentioned in TOS, like the arc featuring T'Pau and Surak, that gets in.
The new movie doesn't really expand our knowledge of anything in TOS; in fact, much of it directly contradicts what we do know. By its own admission, it's a whole new timeline, so if anything, it belongs in its own book. Probably wouldn't make for as big a book as the new Concordance is looking to be, but better to start off with its own reference work, especially since there's only one movie to work with so far.
Robert, a quick question.
Is the revised Concordance going to be available in bookstores? Is it a vanity, print-on-demand thing? Or is it being printed at all?
Is the revised Concordance going to be available in bookstores? Is it a vanity, print-on-demand thing? Or is it being printed at all?
If there's a way to get it into stores, we'll certainly go that route. XLibris has that as part of their package, along with Amazon and some other outlets, so that's one vote in favor of going with them.
By the way this post, and the previous one, were done on an iPad.
I've gotta get me one of these puppies...
I've gotta get me one of these puppies...
Yeah, its her call. But that doesn't make the call any less stupid.
Oh, I won't. But I don't see why I shouldn't voice my opinions on why I won't be buying it.
Bjo and CRA both have given rationalizations for why the new movie won't be in the book, but the standards they use don't mesh with other material that is being included. It seems clear that the movie is being left out for purely prejudicial reasons, which have no place in a reference work.
darkwing_duck1
Vice Admiral
That "tiny, pointless cameo" is one of the few GOOD things about that misbegotten botched abortion of an espisode...
Yes it does...
Not even remotely true. We find out the final fate of Spock and Romulus in the new movie. Neither one of these revelations is even remotely bush league. They belong in the book.
Xlibris? Who's paying to publish the book?
IIRC the earlier post Captain Robert April posted here, with the Bjo quote, she hadn't yet rationalized anything. CRA asked her, via Facebook, what she intended to do about that horrible, yukky, new movie he hated so much, and that threatened to add many, many pages to the manuscript, and Bjo responded that she hadn't really thought about it yet and wondered if it shouldn't be left to someone else's book.
IIRC the earlier post Captain Robert April posted here, with the Bjo quote, she hadn't yet rationalized anything. CRA asked her, via Facebook, what she intended to do about that horrible, yukky, new movie he hated so much, and that threatened to add many, many pages to the manuscript, and Bjo responded that she hadn't really thought about it yet and wondered if it shouldn't be left to someone else's book.
As I recall it, what the quote said was more to the effect of "I never had any intention of putting the new movie in," than "I never thought about it." But, I suppose there could be some room for interpretation.
I suppose as fans we could just send Bjo a bunch of e-mails letting her know our displeasure at Trek 09 being left out of the book. I know I'm not spending one red cent on the damn thing since it's clear the authors have no intention of doing it right.
darkwing_duck1
Vice Admiral
I have to agree with BillJ and Kirk, to be honest. If a work is claimed to be a concordance/reference work and the authors deliberately omit relevent data, then the product is not what it should be.
I have a great deal of admiration for Bjo's original work, but she apparently fell "behind the curve" in keeping it updated and now is looking at a huge amount of work she may or may not be able to do. That's one of the reasons I think we haven't seen a new Encyclopedia either (beyond the "no one will buy it" factor). It would take a good year or more of work to go over all the material that's been developed since the last edition (some of DS9, some of Voyager, ALL of Enterprise, and now ST09)...
I have a great deal of admiration for Bjo's original work, but she apparently fell "behind the curve" in keeping it updated and now is looking at a huge amount of work she may or may not be able to do. That's one of the reasons I think we haven't seen a new Encyclopedia either (beyond the "no one will buy it" factor). It would take a good year or more of work to go over all the material that's been developed since the last edition (some of DS9, some of Voyager, ALL of Enterprise, and now ST09)...
Can't someone sit Bjo down at a computer and get her to read this thread? If she still doesn't care to add STXI afterward, fine. I just think she needs to read a viewpoint on STXI that isn't CRA's.
