Samuel L Jackson should play a barber in it, having had it with those mothafuckin snakes on those mothafuckin heads...
Clash Of The Titans (2009)
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Samuel L Jackson should play a barber in it, having had it with those mothafuckin snakes on those mothafuckin heads...
WORD!!!!
And I can safely say I don't plan to.
Is it just me or does Hollywood have real trouble not falling back on Christian ideas when it comes to dealing with pagan gods? The Percy Jackson movie made the underworld look exactly like a Christian version of Hell, with fire and whatnot, and it made Persephone and Hades very devilish (also made Hades the Big Bad when in the book it was Kronos). Now Clash is making Hades the bad guy too because he does random evil things to people??
Note to movie producers: Hades does not equal Satan.
Why, oh why do they try to use classical material without understanding anything about the classical world?
This is probably the point where I usually mention that Jason And The Argonauts: The Kingdom Of Hades is now out in Trade...
And it at least has a more mythologically-accurate Hades!
Yeah, my sister actually had the same complaint about the movie, and even though I did like the movie I do have to agree. I think it's both the whole afterlife/Hell thing, and then there's also the fact that most of the western worlds seems to associate anything having to do with death as being evil (other than Heaven of course). It's actually bugged me all the way back to the Disney Hercules movie. Weren't all of the Gods pretty much neutral in the actual myths?
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I saw it yesterday.
Solid action set-pieces. Really paper-thin characters, with very little plot or character development.
It was very much the fantasy version of Transformers.
I was hoping for something more along the lines of a lord of the rings, iron man, spider-man, dark knight, star trek (2009) in terms of genre action film.
Instead, I got a movie that fits well in the Transformers, Fantastic Four, 2012 realm.
Meh. Very meh.
Solid action set-pieces. Really paper-thin characters, with very little plot or character development.
It was very much the fantasy version of Transformers.
I was hoping for something more along the lines of a lord of the rings, iron man, spider-man, dark knight, star trek (2009) in terms of genre action film.
Instead, I got a movie that fits well in the Transformers, Fantastic Four, 2012 realm.
Meh. Very meh.
Somewhat. The gods just viewed the human race as annoyances only to be trifled with at their whim. Other than that, the worlds were pretty much separate.
As others have stated, Hades is the god of the Underworld and not an equivalent of Satan. The Underworld is separated into three sections depending on how one's life was lived.
There was a lot I never cared for about the original Clash as well as many other stories "based on" Greek mythology because many elements and characters are grossly misrepresented.
..because the general mass public doesn't remember half the stuff they learned in High School, much less Mythology. So it's easier to go with the standard vision of Hell because that's what everyone relates too & remembers.
Exactly. Meh. This movie just sucked, all that hype and it just didn't deliver. The group we went with half of them all walked out halfway through, although I stayed till the end hoping for some redemption. On top of all this we chose 3D, and that was just brutal. The effects were very poor and nowhere to be seen.
But the best thing, we got our money back! One of the guys complained so well that we got a full refund!
Well, in fairness, there is 2000 or so years of cultural inertia which turns Hades into the easiest "standard bad guy" Greek god (aside perhaps from Ares). I'd say mostly because of the way the early Christian narrative (with its growth out of post-exilic Judaism) interacted with and was affected by the Classical narrative.
Also, I think the influence of the Nordic pantheon - specifically Hel - on modern North Atlantic culture has a part in this. Hel wasn't "evil" either, but I think definitely a more malevolent figure than Hades.
ETA: Haven't seen this movie yet but I still hope to.
Hades, Posidon and Zeus were brothers and nominal equals, each with his own realm. Zeus was the strongest, but not so much that the others weren't acknowledged rivals.
In Clash, the plot of Hades against Zeus wasn't really out of line with Greek mythology. As far as I remember just about every Greek myth had humans playing out a rivalry between two gods. I found Zeus' shiny armour to be the most irritating thing about their depiction.
In a movie like Clash, I don't expect to get a deep metaphysical look at the nature of deity. I guess ideally I'd like to see a glimpse of an image that is based a bit more closely on someone's deep metaphysical look at the nature of deity... Does that make any sense at all? I mean if a deity has a 2 minute walk on, it should behave as deity, even if we don't have 3 full hours of documentary to examine his nature.
In Clash, the plot of Hades against Zeus wasn't really out of line with Greek mythology. As far as I remember just about every Greek myth had humans playing out a rivalry between two gods. I found Zeus' shiny armour to be the most irritating thing about their depiction.
In a movie like Clash, I don't expect to get a deep metaphysical look at the nature of deity. I guess ideally I'd like to see a glimpse of an image that is based a bit more closely on someone's deep metaphysical look at the nature of deity... Does that make any sense at all? I mean if a deity has a 2 minute walk on, it should behave as deity, even if we don't have 3 full hours of documentary to examine his nature.
Saw it yesterday. erm, yep pretty forgettable. I guess if you were an 8 year old boy who'd never seen the original you might think it was cool, other than that it wasn't so hot.
Agreed with others about the Medusa scene, I was basically just looking forward to that through the movie, but the makers just completely missed the point from the original.
I wasn't gonna complain about having Kaya Scodelario (Effy from Skins) in the movie as Andromeda's sister, but what exactly was the point whatsoever of her inclusion? Especiially getting an accomplished actress as her, she had about one line. Might as well have just used an extra.
It was also amusing how her Skins onscreen brothers Nicholas Hoult was also in it as Eusabios.
And another thing, how many Brits sniggered everytime they mentioned Argos?
So I don't think I'd ever bother watching it again. I liked the cameo from the Owl Bubo, can anyone remember what was said about it? Something like "don't take that thing" ?
Agreed with others about the Medusa scene, I was basically just looking forward to that through the movie, but the makers just completely missed the point from the original.
I wasn't gonna complain about having Kaya Scodelario (Effy from Skins) in the movie as Andromeda's sister, but what exactly was the point whatsoever of her inclusion? Especiially getting an accomplished actress as her, she had about one line. Might as well have just used an extra.
It was also amusing how her Skins onscreen brothers Nicholas Hoult was also in it as Eusabios.
And another thing, how many Brits sniggered everytime they mentioned Argos?
So I don't think I'd ever bother watching it again. I liked the cameo from the Owl Bubo, can anyone remember what was said about it? Something like "don't take that thing" ?
The gods did not view the human race merely as annoyances to be trifled with at their whim. In fact, well over half the gods had affairs with various humans. Granted they could be vindictive lovers, but that didn't mean they didn't genuinely love humans. They also chose favorites among humans, and saw to the welfare of people at least as much as they heaped misery on their unsuspecting heads. The gods were personifications of the universe at large - they granted boons as well as doom.
And their worlds were not separate. Religion was a vital part of every person's life in ancient Greece. You didn't go a week without visiting a temple to praise a god or ask for favor, and you attended to your household representations of your family's patron god(s) daily. Priests and priestesses were active in every aspect of Greek life and there were huge festivals throughout the year to worship the gods. The Greeks were a tremendously religious people. The god protected individuals, families and cities by being patron deities. They were believed to grant favor in everything from a good harvest to a good birth to a victory in battle.
Why would what people remember have anything to do with it? Do you remember anything about boggarts and dark magic? Probably not (if one ever knew anything about them at all), but that didn't hurt Harry Potter's success. These people are telling a story - so tell it. That means knowing your source material if you're reinterpreting something. Trust me, the values of the real stories are deeply embedded in our culture even if individuals don't know the source of those narrative resonances - and they are damn good stories. A movie that actually knew what it was doing with that material would probably be a hell of a lot better than some watered down version of Christian symbols.
Sure, they were rivals but that had to do with a general spirit of competition which was a part of ancient Greek culture. That is, the gods might compete to prove who was best at some particular thing, but there's really only one minor tale of a conspiracy against Zeus that I know of and it involved Hera, Athena and Poseidon planningon throwing Zeus in chains. But they were ratted out by Thetis, the sea goddess who was the mother of the great hero Achilles. Hades in particular had no love or desire for Olympus and was the one god who lived in his own realm rather than in the celestial city. Hades also wasn't the slightest bit more evil than any other god. He was cold and indifferent, which to the Greeks was far worse than being actively cruel. They knew all about that and thought such an attitude in a powereful man was completely to be expected so it wasn't terrifying the way godly indifference to human suffering was.
You took a good ¾ of what I wrote completely out of context, but that doesn't surprise me
I have no idea what you're talking about here.
What school teaches students dark magic & boggarts?
So no, I don't recall it because I wasn't taught it.
Schools do teach Mythology as part of English Literature.
However, as I said many don't retain that knowledge or care about it outside a special effects driven film and even then don't care how accurate it is judging by the popularity of the first film and now this one. For many that saw the original in the theater, learned about Mythology nearly 20 years ago. It took many folks 5 years to finally associate "Oh Brother, Where Art Thou?" with the Odyessy and only creature most remember was John Goodman was the Cyclops.
Harry Potter is based on books & stories folks are currently reading.
It's a success due in part to everything in the films are still fresh in peoples minds.
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