Typhon Pact Release Dates Changed?
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Then why do I get about 523,600 cubic light years?
d=100 light years ==> r=50 light years
V = (4/3)*Pi*r^3 = (4/3)*Pi*50^3 cubic light years ~= 523,600 cubic light years
ETA: Did you use 50^2 instead of 50^3?
523,600 ly^3 is correct. I don't know how Sci arrived at 10,400.
Sorry to derail geometry chat but...
Will these changes cause tears of joy or tears of pain?
Aaron McGuire
Will these changes cause tears of joy or tears of pain?
Aaron McGuire
I was referring simply to the lineup change. That's all. You all may now exhale...
Seems I did. Oops!
Not until we figure out this math problem, we can't!
For real comedy value you ought to try Amazon UK's upcoming Trek book schedule, which lists MAM's TP books as Typhon Pact 1, but still has it coming out second - and has it, Typhon Pact 3, the (long-since debunked!) Orion Factor trilogy, and something called Crossing Over by Kristine Katherine Rusch (never head of it) *all* coming out in December!
(oh it also still lists all four JJverse books as coming out in the original dates)
http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/qid=12701...n:266239,n:!1025612,k:star+trek&sort=-pubdate
(oh it also still lists all four JJverse books as coming out in the original dates)
http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/qid=12701...n:266239,n:!1025612,k:star+trek&sort=-pubdate
And I'm reminded again of why I want a new map of "local space"!
That would make a cool book cover - a stylized ST Star Charts style map (with marked shipping lanes - that always makes space maps look like more than a bunch of white dots) with the Federation in blue and this *HUGE* new zone in red marked "TYPHON PACT".
Well, the Pact members aren't adjacent to one another. Going by Star Charts, basically their territories bracket the UFP; you've got the large Breen and Tholian territories and the smaller Tzenkethi territory on the spinward side, and then to antispinward you've got the more modest territories of the Gorn, the Kinshaya (which I assume would be somewhere adjacent to Klingon territory), and the remains of the Romulan Star Empire. I suppose the three spinward states are close enough together that you could sort of blur their borders together, but the three antispinward states are all separate from one another. If we assume Kinshaya territory is near Krios, the planet they invaded in A Singular Destiny, then they're separated from Gorn space by the main thickness of Klingon space and from Romulan territory by a smaller peninsula of Klingon space.
Aren't the charts 2D? Maybe from some weird angle things might look vaguely like I said.
Failing that, zoom in.
Failing that, dig up an older space map from FASA or the old Tech Manual.
Failing that...artisitic licence?
Failing that, zoom in.
Failing that, dig up an older space map from FASA or the old Tech Manual.
Failing that...artisitic licence?
Okay... I just whipped together a quickie Typhon Pact map based on the Star Charts Known Space map, with the Pact signatories highlighted in orange, and with a conjectural placement for Kinshaya space:
(The depiction of RSE territory is based on this post from KRAD.)
So they don't really add up to a territory as big as the UFP's or even the Klingons'.
And the image is hosted on my own blog space, so I think it's okay to link to it.
(The depiction of RSE territory is based on this post from KRAD.)
So they don't really add up to a territory as big as the UFP's or even the Klingons'.
And the image is hosted on my own blog space, so I think it's okay to link to it.
It looks like the Federation would have an easy time blocking supply lines between Pact members.
Perhaps, if such or similar tactics are used, a space map might be necassary (or at least helpful) in one of the books to understand quite what's going on. Would it look as cool in black dots on white paper? Maybe if it were made to look like an old, cliche pirates' treasure map?
Perhaps, if such or similar tactics are used, a space map might be necassary (or at least helpful) in one of the books to understand quite what's going on. Would it look as cool in black dots on white paper? Maybe if it were made to look like an old, cliche pirates' treasure map?
FWIW, I just took a look at FASA's version of Trek space, based on FJ's sphere from the Tech Manual, and they put the Tholians at 1 o'clock, The Gorn at 2:30 - 3:30 and the Romulans at 3:30-5. That Typhon Pact would be a solid wall down the right-hand side of the Federation (assuming they took over the unclaimed space between Tholian and Gorn Alliances)
Two things to additionally keep in mind:
1) Those maps have their drawbacks simply by being two-dimensional: a "real" territorial chart would be a 3-D affair (and in many places might have nebulous "zones of influence" rather than well-defined borders). For example, one presumes the Betreka Nebula is "above" or "below" Federation space, so that the Klingons' & Cardassians' prolonged incident there was not actually carried out in Federation space.
Which doesn't mean the maps don't have their uses. It's more of an admonishment not to take them too literally, either. They're as contradiction-prone as any other Treklit, perhaps moreso because of the wide-but-shallow focus inherent in such a product (compounded by contradictory source material). Which leads to:
2) The maps also don't show the Borg-ravished dead zone.
That still leaves the Kinshaya separated on the far side of Klingon space, plus wherever the Breen and Tzenkethi would wind up on that map.
Not really. Those contiguous blobs of territory are figurative at best. Space is vast and mostly empty. A more realistic representation of the territories would be limited only to individual star systems and the well-patrolled travel routes between them; it would be prohibitively hard to monitor every bit of the vast emptiness between them. There could be plenty of overlap and interpenetration between territories, so long as they didn't directly impinge on each other's systems and routes.
Besides, why would the Federation want to block their supply lines? That would be an act of aggression. The Federation doesn't start wars. The Pact isn't friendly toward the UFP, but at this point it isn't actively aggressing against the UFP either. For the UFP to precipitate conflict against them would be an incredibly stupid move, especially given how badly weakened the UFP is post-Destiny. Let's keep that in mind. Everyone in the area is weakened in the wake of the recent wars and invasions. What these nations all need is a period of rebuilding and consolidation. Any clashes between them are likely to be political, diplomatic, and economic rather than military.
I'm pretty sure he was referring to 'blocking the supply lines' if there was a state of open warfare.
It's really irritating that you always presume that everyone has the Federation as the aggressor when they make a statement about war tactics.
I'm merely pointing out the flaw in the assumption that the Typhon Pact would be the aggressor -- or indeed that there would even be a war at all. A lot of people seem to be assuming that the Pact's only reason to exist is to attack or invade the Federation, and that just demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of what was established in A Singular Destiny. I'm saying it's a mistake to jump to the conclusion that they're an enemy aggressor that plans to start a war, and to illustrate my point, I'm drawing the analogy of how dangerous it would be for people in the Federation to jump to the same conclusion.
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