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After the Destiny events, The Typhon Pact and future novels

Just a thought: That "110+" year ago Romulan incident? That may seem a lifetime ago to us, but not for Romulans, who have lifespans much longer then ours.

I had a whole paragraph in my post about how 70 years (from Pearl Harbor to the present) may be somewhat comparable to 110 years for a Romulan, given their (presumed) longer lifespans.

I took it out before I posted, because it seemed kind of wordy. Now I wish I'd left it in, because I still think it's a good comparison.

Yes, I suppose there are still some Romulans in 2381 who remember the theft of a cloaking device back in 2268, but it would be something that happened in grandad's time to most Rommies. Just like Pearl Harbor is something from the history books for the overwhelming majority of Americans today -- not something that still defines Foreign Relations.
 
Well... I think when someone enters your space and starts blowing up your outposts, they probably aren't interested in your general well-being.

Yes, clearly the Praetor who was in power in 2266 (either Vrax, established in Summon the Thunder, or the Caligula-esque Praetor of John Byrne's comics) was interested in aggression against the Federation. The dialogue in "Balance of Terror" told us that much. But assuming that has any bearing whatsoever on the agenda of the Romulan Star Empire ruled by Tal'Aura in 2381 and after makes about as much sense as assuming that the current prime minister of Japan plans to invade China just because the Meiji Emperor did so in 1895. We're talking about totally different regimes, totally different eras. There have been at least half a dozen intervening Romulan Praetors and governments in the interim between "Balance of Terror" and The Typhon Pact, most of them coming to power by violently overthrowing their predecessors. So it makes absolutely no sense to treat the Romulan government of the 2260s as the same entity as the Romulan government of the 2380s -- especially when the political body called the Romulan Star Empire as of the 2380s is only a portion of the state of that name that existed prior to 2380.

And we've seen canonically that the Romulan Star Empire has gone through multiple different foreign policies over that interval as well. The expansionism of the 2260s gave way to an extended period of isolationism by 2311, then a renewed period of aggression starting in 2364, then alliance with the Federation and Klingons in the last year or two of the Dominion War, then a period of detente with the Federation until Shinzon's brutal coup in 2379 killed off most of the sitting Romulan government. And the books thereafter have shown the Romulans in chaos and civil war in the wake of that event, leading eventually to the schism of the whole empire between Tal'Aura's remnant RSE and Donatra's Imperial Romulan State, both of which have equally legitimate (or illegitimate) claims to being the "true" Romulan government.

So to assume any simplistic continuity of policy over that whole span of time, when the evidence overwhelmingly shows otherwise, just doesn't make any sense.

I think the Romulans that people refer to, are the Romulans still part of the Romulan Star Empire, not the newly-formed Romulan Imperial State lead by Donotra. The Federation(in-universe) and those of us on here who are weary of Romulan intentions, are rightly justified in the way we're responding to the Typhon Pact's possible intentions. The Romulans, even when they're not in "expantionist" mode, don't have humanitarian and diplomatic intentions in mind.
 
Well, I just checked S&S and the latest cover they have is October's Nightshade, and the latest blurb they have is May's Children of Kings. But they haven't released anything for the two CoE TPBs coming out in July and August, so apparently that stuff is not always released in the same order as the books themselves.
 
Well, I just checked S&S and the latest cover they have is October's Nightshade, and the latest blurb they have is May's Children of Kings. But they haven't released anything for the two CoE TPBs coming out in July and August, so apparently that stuff is not always released in the same order as the books themselves.
I'm really looking foward to the Typhon Pact series, to see how everybody deals with a very different post-Borg galaxy. If things weren't bad enough due to the Borg devestation of the alpha and beta quadrants, the Typhon Pact's members consist of not-so-nice civilizations(The Romulans, the Tholians, the Holy Order of the Kinshaya).
 
Did you read the new inteview with Michael A. Martin? He talks a bit about his TP book, and it sounds really cool. It sounds like there will be some really interesting world building for the Gorn (it's the Gorn, right?)
 
Did you read the new inteview with Michael A. Martin? He talks a bit about his TP book, and it sounds really cool. It sounds like there will be some really interesting world building for the Gorn (it's the Gorn, right?)

When is the first Typhon Pact novel coming out, anyway?
 
I wonder how a Typhon Pact mixed-crew ship would work?
I don't think we've seen any of the member spieces with any other spieces on their crews (with the exception of half-human Sela). The Federation has a big advantage in mixed operations, and I'm sure it'll take the Pact an age to learn to work together properly.
The Kinshaya have Kreel serving on their ships, which would probably cause more problems if the Kreel didn't hate the Klingons even more.
 
I wonder how a Typhon Pact mixed-crew ship would work?
I don't think we've seen any of the member spieces with any other spieces on their crews (with the exception of half-human Sela). The Federation has a big advantage in mixed operations, and I'm sure it'll take the Pact an age to learn to work together properly.
The Kinshaya have Kreel serving on their ships, which would probably cause more problems if the Kreel didn't hate the Klingons even more.

The Kreel were conquered though, they're not so much working with the Kinshaya as they are slaves.
 
^Conquest doesn't necessarily equate to slavery. There's a difference between being a subject and being a slave. And as I said before, many armies throughout history have consisted largely or predominantly of troops from conquered nations. Sometimes they've been cannon fodder impressed into service, but in empires that ran things more intelligently, they've been treated fairly well and were given privileges and status to motivate them to serve willingly.
 
^Conquest doesn't necessarily equate to slavery.

I dont know, Singular Destiny seemed to make it pretty clear it was slavery. It made mention of how there were Kreel serving on the Kinshaya ships, and how they would not speak up their opinion on stuff because they knew a Kreel who spoke was a Kreel who would soon be dead.

Edited to add: A couple of relevant lines from said book about the status of the Kreel:

"Consoles lined the walls, with either loyal servants of the Devout or Kreel slaves standing at each of them."

"Retej knew little of the Federation, as they shared no border with the Kinshaya, not even now they had conquered the heretic Kreel..."

"The Kreel knew better than to say anything - Kreel who spoke didnt live very long - but simply carried out the order."

I'm going to stick with the Kreel are slaves thing I think.
 
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