Have to disagree with that. Sarah's possesion frightened me as a child and I still find it pretty creepy today; I thought she did a fine job. I should mention that I've always been terrified of possesion/mind control, etc.
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Have to disagree with that. Sarah's possesion frightened me as a child and I still find it pretty creepy today; I thought she did a fine job. I should mention that I've always been terrified of possesion/mind control, etc.
Was she? I had no idea. I wonder how that would have worked out. But Carole is far too ingrained in my brain to imagine someone else back then.
That's one of the things I love about this rewatch project ... differing opinions, and the ways people give those opinions. And that's what it all is, subjective opinions. Person A likes this, Person B can't stand it, and on and on, all while looking at the same thing. Like Horns of Nimon, there's only one person on this board who is an admitted fan of it. Me, I've never seen the story.
And, except for Emh, we're all giving our opinions respectfully. Says something about Doctor Who fans, I think.
The Hand of Fear, episode 3
Nothing happened. There was no explosion.
After everyone leaves, a blue creature emerges - Eldrad! The Doctor and Sarah go back inside and have a nice little chat with him.
As a group, they go to the Tardis (new control room!) to take Eldrad back to his home planet. Oh, dear. The planet is lifeless. Eldrad exists, followed by the two travelers.
He turns the lights on in the chamber they discover, then opens a door to go further - and finds a sword sticking out of his chest!
* * *
Eldrad is an interesting little creature. Millions (billions?) of years old, and able to carry a grudge like nobody's business. I can respect that.
They bring in the royal air force to take out the power plant. I know it's just a throw-away cameo using stock footage, buy I wonder why nobody even gave a second's thought to calling in UNIT? Writers generally like to do throwaway lines of dialog like that, with continuity and such, it seems obvious to me. Man - "Let's call in UNIT." The Doctor - "Oh, they're busy with Autons, I think we can handle this."
Overall, a fairly decent, if not entirely memorable, episode.
There is more than one. I am guessing that when you stated there was only one, you wasn't talking about me, but there is me for starters. Can never get me enough Nimon... Wonderful show. Has me cacking with laughter everytime I see it.
How many times do I have to remind you, Omaha? cardinal biggles is a much bigger fan of The Horns of Nimon than I. 
The Hand of Fear, episode 4
The Doctor and Sarah help Eldrad to a regeneration chamber where he's fixed up into his original form.
The find a recording - Eldrad's people hated him so much that as soon as he let the planet, they destroyed it and themselves so that he could never rule them again.
Eldrad falls down and goes boom. The travelers leave.
Sarah decides she's had enough traveling and decides to go home.
* * *
Goodbye, Sarah Jane. *sad* I know, I know, she'll be back. But not for a very long time. The first 18 minutes of this episode drag by. It's one shot after another of the travelers helping Eldrad go through tunnels before finally getting somewhere, and then it's just exposition from someone on a recording. It's the last five minutes that has all the substance.
Sarah tells the Doctor she has had enough, she's leaving. Of course, she's lying her ass off and she just wants to hear the Doctor tell her he wants her to stay. He doesn't, because he's received a telepathic call summoning him home to Gallifrey. She doesn't really believe him, and she tries to backpedal, but by then, it's too late. He's going home and he's leaving her behind.
She'll more or less be fine, but she'll have a metric buttload of emotional baggage, which we see when she returns in "School Reunion" decades later.
It has been an adventure. And it's over too soon.
The Doctor and Sarah help Eldrad to a regeneration chamber where he's fixed up into his original form.
The find a recording - Eldrad's people hated him so much that as soon as he let the planet, they destroyed it and themselves so that he could never rule them again.
Eldrad falls down and goes boom. The travelers leave.
Sarah decides she's had enough traveling and decides to go home.
* * *
Goodbye, Sarah Jane. *sad* I know, I know, she'll be back. But not for a very long time. The first 18 minutes of this episode drag by. It's one shot after another of the travelers helping Eldrad go through tunnels before finally getting somewhere, and then it's just exposition from someone on a recording. It's the last five minutes that has all the substance.
Sarah tells the Doctor she has had enough, she's leaving. Of course, she's lying her ass off and she just wants to hear the Doctor tell her he wants her to stay. He doesn't, because he's received a telepathic call summoning him home to Gallifrey. She doesn't really believe him, and she tries to backpedal, but by then, it's too late. He's going home and he's leaving her behind.
She'll more or less be fine, but she'll have a metric buttload of emotional baggage, which we see when she returns in "School Reunion" decades later.
It has been an adventure. And it's over too soon.
It was a sad moment, but well realised and played by Sladen & Baker.
Although I really like School Reunion (I regard it as one of the best eps of new Who) I really, really hate the way Toby Whithouse (or RTD?) suggested there was a romance between Sarah Jane & the Doctor. Anyone who has watched those classic series episodes with her in them knows this not to true at all. Sure, they were great friends, there was a spark between them of a kind (in the sense that they 'clicked'), but nothing ever romantic. This kind of retconning of the classic series by the new one gets on my nerves..
Although I really like School Reunion (I regard it as one of the best eps of new Who) I really, really hate the way Toby Whithouse (or RTD?) suggested there was a romance between Sarah Jane & the Doctor. Anyone who has watched those classic series episodes with her in them knows this not to true at all. Sure, they were great friends, there was a spark between them of a kind (in the sense that they 'clicked'), but nothing ever romantic. This kind of retconning of the classic series by the new one gets on my nerves..
I'm not sure it is definitely implied she had a romantic involvement. But then, I hate everyone kissing the Doctor, so I do my best to ignore any suggestion like that anyway. Even then, it's a good enough episode otherwise that I think romantic suggestion was forced in by RTD. Surprised he didn't retcon the Doctor a gay relationship with Harry.
When I come to power, there'll be no funny business with the Doctor
When I come to power, there'll be no funny business with the Doctor
Well I think in School Reunion you can take it either way. either Sarah Jane and the Doctor did have a romantic connection, or her feelings stem from the loss of a platonic friend who still had such a huge influence on her life that no one else would do. It works within the context of the episode for it to have been a romantic thing, but that's really from the perspective of Rose and Mickey and plays into the season arc about Rose eventually leaving. A lot of the suggestion of romance comes from Rose and Mickey--especially Mickey--but as far as I can recall I don't remember either the Doctor or Sarah Jane really backing it up. Sarah Jane implies no other man would do after the Doctor but he is pretty amazing so even without any sexual attraction you might find yourself comparing every prospective partner to him. I mean, men and women give up romantic love for something more spiritual all the time.
But then I'm comparing the Doctor to God which might be as annoying to some as suggesting he might have enjoyed a kiss or two behind the TARDIS
But then I'm comparing the Doctor to God which might be as annoying to some as suggesting he might have enjoyed a kiss or two behind the TARDIS
Don't get me started on this idea of the Doctor being a god either. He should be a sort of unsung hero, not someone who gets people sycophanting him all the time. He's brilliant yes, but not a god, and he shouldn't be treated like...err, a god.
And I don't like the way the new show tries to have it both ways either. One of my objections to romance with the Doctor (aside from it being a cheap way of manufacturing drama and just not making sense) is that it demystifies the character. Despite not approving of him pretty much being an actual god, I like the notion of the Cartmel masterplan because it gives more mystery to the character. When you've got a 900 year old alien falling in love with a 19 year chav, it rather undoes all that.
And I don't like the way the new show tries to have it both ways either. One of my objections to romance with the Doctor (aside from it being a cheap way of manufacturing drama and just not making sense) is that it demystifies the character. Despite not approving of him pretty much being an actual god, I like the notion of the Cartmel masterplan because it gives more mystery to the character. When you've got a 900 year old alien falling in love with a 19 year chav, it rather undoes all that.
I sense that Tennant didn't have any chemistry with Sladen, though she emoted well towards him, yet he didn't return the warmth, like Pertwee and Baker had done. Maybe it was to show that he was "all about Rose."
No chemistry? Did you see the look on Ten's face when he was introdcuded to Sarah Jane Smith? How much of it was acting and how much genuine fan boy glee we might never know but he was clearly really glad to see her. And all about Rose? In the very next episode he's about to replace her with a French noblewoman. If anything SR shows that it isn't all about Rose. the producers are laying down the groundwork for Rose going.
so what you're saying is that you don't want the Doctor to be some kind of mythical being, but you don't want him to appear too normal either? Part of me really can't wait for this far off mythical date when you're in charge because your version of Who will be something to see (for the 3 episodes it plays before being cancelled of course
)And lets be honest, lower working class though she was, Rose was never really a chav in the strictest sense.
I'm saying I want the Doctor to be mysterious, but in an understated way. I'm not a fan of people telling him he's wonderful all the time, and certainly not the status of a god. It's really not that complicated. It's just a shame you can't respond to a simple point you disagree with without resorting to attempted mockery.
so what you're saying is that you don't want the Doctor to be some kind of mythical being, but you don't want him to appear too normal either? Part of me really can't wait for this far off mythical date when you're in charge because your version of Who will be something to see (for the 3 episodes it plays before being cancelled of course
And lets be honest, lower working class though she was, Rose was never really a chav in the strictest sense.
The Deadly Assassin, part 1
Written by Robert Holmes
Directed by David Maloney
The Doctor returns to Gallifrey. He's seen a vision of someone assassinating the President and tries to warn people. But he's a criminal so nobody listens.
At a ceremony with the President, it appears the Doctor commits the very assassination he was trying to prevent.
* * *
Not much to say. There's a voiceover at the beginning, that's unusual. This is the Castellon's introduction, and I didn't realize crispy Master had been seen before the end of the Fourth Doctor's time with Logopolis.
Beyond that, it's just sort of like watching someone play checkers.
* * *
The Deadly Assassin part 2
The Doctor is arrested and put on trial for murder.
The trial stops when the Doctor submits his nomination to be the new President.
They know the Master is involved. To find out how, the Doctor goes inside the Matrix.
Inside, he's hunted. It's an odd world, straight out of Monty Python. It ends with the Doctor on train tracks, with a train coming straight at him, piloted by the Master.
* * *
I dunno. With very little exception, I was just bored with this episode. If there is a plot to this story, it's secondary to anything else.
Written by Robert Holmes
Directed by David Maloney
The Doctor returns to Gallifrey. He's seen a vision of someone assassinating the President and tries to warn people. But he's a criminal so nobody listens.
At a ceremony with the President, it appears the Doctor commits the very assassination he was trying to prevent.
* * *
Not much to say. There's a voiceover at the beginning, that's unusual. This is the Castellon's introduction, and I didn't realize crispy Master had been seen before the end of the Fourth Doctor's time with Logopolis.
Beyond that, it's just sort of like watching someone play checkers.
* * *
The Deadly Assassin part 2
The Doctor is arrested and put on trial for murder.
The trial stops when the Doctor submits his nomination to be the new President.
They know the Master is involved. To find out how, the Doctor goes inside the Matrix.
Inside, he's hunted. It's an odd world, straight out of Monty Python. It ends with the Doctor on train tracks, with a train coming straight at him, piloted by the Master.
* * *
I dunno. With very little exception, I was just bored with this episode. If there is a plot to this story, it's secondary to anything else.
I'm saying I want the Doctor to be mysterious, but in an understated way. I'm not a fan of people telling him he's wonderful all the time, and certainly not the status of a god. It's really not that complicated. It's just a shame you can't respond to a simple point you disagree with without resorting to attempted mockery.
so what you're saying is that you don't want the Doctor to be some kind of mythical being, but you don't want him to appear too normal either? Part of me really can't wait for this far off mythical date when you're in charge because your version of Who will be something to see (for the 3 episodes it plays before being cancelled of course
And lets be honest, lower working class though she was, Rose was never really a chav in the strictest sense.
Well in fairness I dislike all the people telling him he's wonderful, but I see that as seperate from him being godlike--one can be Godlike without being wonderful (in fact a few more people questioning his God complex might be nice)
And it wasn't attempted mockery...
If you agree, then what exactly was your point? Nastiness for its own sake?I'm saying I want the Doctor to be mysterious, but in an understated way. I'm not a fan of people telling him he's wonderful all the time, and certainly not the status of a god. It's really not that complicated. It's just a shame you can't respond to a simple point you disagree with without resorting to attempted mockery.so what you're saying is that you don't want the Doctor to be some kind of mythical being, but you don't want him to appear too normal either? Part of me really can't wait for this far off mythical date when you're in charge because your version of Who will be something to see (for the 3 episodes it plays before being cancelled of course
And lets be honest, lower working class though she was, Rose was never really a chav in the strictest sense.
Well in fairness I dislike all the people telling him he's wonderful, but I see that as seperate from him being godlike--one can be Godlike without being wonderful (in fact a few more people questioning his God complex might be nice)
That aside, what do you consider Godlike qualities in this case if not general wonderfulness?
When my first reaction to is a brief facepalm and the thought of "you sad twit" rather than feeling the worse for reading it, then I don't consider it a successful mock. Resorting to mockery is usually the tactic of someone with no real point to make anyway.And it wasn't attempted mockery...
Nice work with the patronising wink emoticon though
Anyway, as for The Deadly Assassin, I don't really remember it. Though the title is amusing to me. Surely you can't really be an assassin without being deadly, after all. I watched Planet of Evil the other day though, based on the recommendation. It was good. Not sure if I'd rank it among the very best, but it was certainly worth the watch.
That's down to individual interpretations of god, or one of its incarnations. In general, I take godlike to mean almost all-knowing, and generally wonderful almost to the point of perfection. Which isn't quite what I want to the Doctor to be. I like the moments when he doesn't know what to do. Of course, he's more knowledgable and able than humans, but to the point of godlike is too much.
The other aspect of this I don't like is when the Doctor goes on about how brilliant he is. Like we've got in the ad, with the "there's one thing you don't put in a trap...me". Makes him less likeable.
The other aspect of this I don't like is when the Doctor goes on about how brilliant he is. Like we've got in the ad, with the "there's one thing you don't put in a trap...me". Makes him less likeable.
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