Or maybe they are both lying manipulators and it is not Jacob's job to keep MIB from escaping - that's just one of his lies.
Lost 6x09: "Ab Aeterno"
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Ok, sounds reasonable and would qualify as the something else. I must have missed him saying that to him last night.
EDIT TO ADD: But now I'm thinking about the NotLock/Richard encounter overall and kind of wondering about that. As I recall he attacked Richard and carried him off into the jungle. From there we don't what happened except that eventually Richard comes to Sawyer (in a terrified state) and tries to get Sawyer away from NotLocke.
Wonder if we'll ever see what happened in that gap and how Richard got away?
I think we're still going to be trying to make sense of everything long after the show is over. 
Ohhh perhaps maybe the whole show is a lie
Wasn't Widmore exiled because he had a wife & child off the Island? I think Widmore wants the Island for the "power" it contains. Owning the Island and with his vast resources he stands to become the most powerful man on the planet.
I'm thinking Dharma is an example of manifest destiny.
They weren't supposed to be there, which is why the Others didn't like them. They were sent to do experiments and covertly take over the Island. Dhama refered to them as "The Hostiles" like Europeans who colonized the US called Native Americans "savages". Dharma discovered the Island thur Hanzo because his ancestor had the manifest sheet from the Black Rock. If you go back and look at the map painted on the bunker door, it's shows where Honzo's ancestor is buried on the Island. I think that's all we really needed to know about Dharma.
The question that still stands is, how did they know that a sonic fence would keep out Smokey?
.....or is that just and after effect?
Was the fence only designed to just keep the Others out?
A few questions:
How does one go from the Canary Islands to the New World, and end up in the middle of the Pacific? At least with the drug plane, could try and argue that they went East, and maybe made a stop or two in Asia. A sailing ship would have more problems with that, and going from the Canary Islands (NW tip of Africa, just south of Gibraltar) to Hawaii (give or take) would be a LONG haul.
Speaking of which, the date they used was 1867. Why was it being called the New World still? Had been known for almost 400 years at that point. Hell, it had been America for almost 100 years. If they weren't calling it America over in Europe, they'd certainly at least be calling it the Colonies, right?
While we're on the date, where were they going with slaves? Pretty sure America had just finished deciding on that one once and for all, and came back with a NO. They wanted him to speak English, so Central or South America aren't likely destinations, either. If they went around South America and tried for the West coast, no slaves in California (or a whole lot else, although it's getting going), and any further south towards Mexico and speaking Spanish would be more useful than English.
Seems like picking a date that recent really screws up a lot of things. If the date said 1687, would have all fit together much better (minus the Pacific ocean bit). Also would have made Richard's comments about "You wouldn't belive how old I am" a lot more resounding when he comes in at 350 years old, rather than 150. 150 is old, but could have had more impact with a bigger number.
Liked watching the episode, but didn't love the details...
How does one go from the Canary Islands to the New World, and end up in the middle of the Pacific? At least with the drug plane, could try and argue that they went East, and maybe made a stop or two in Asia. A sailing ship would have more problems with that, and going from the Canary Islands (NW tip of Africa, just south of Gibraltar) to Hawaii (give or take) would be a LONG haul.
Speaking of which, the date they used was 1867. Why was it being called the New World still? Had been known for almost 400 years at that point. Hell, it had been America for almost 100 years. If they weren't calling it America over in Europe, they'd certainly at least be calling it the Colonies, right?
While we're on the date, where were they going with slaves? Pretty sure America had just finished deciding on that one once and for all, and came back with a NO. They wanted him to speak English, so Central or South America aren't likely destinations, either. If they went around South America and tried for the West coast, no slaves in California (or a whole lot else, although it's getting going), and any further south towards Mexico and speaking Spanish would be more useful than English.
Seems like picking a date that recent really screws up a lot of things. If the date said 1687, would have all fit together much better (minus the Pacific ocean bit). Also would have made Richard's comments about "You wouldn't belive how old I am" a lot more resounding when he comes in at 350 years old, rather than 150. 150 is old, but could have had more impact with a bigger number.
Liked watching the episode, but didn't love the details...
^ I think the implication is that the island was "moved" at least once between 1867 and when flight 815 crashed.
You have a good point on the slavery stuff though.
You have a good point on the slavery stuff though.
The Carribbean.
Colonized by the British and were stop overs & part of the slave trade long after America said no.
Well it IS fiction, we know that for sure.
(Now waiting for somebody to come here and tell me somehow this was based on some real event.
)Okay, I'm sure there is more going on. We have people who can appear both on and off the island who also look to be independent of the smoke monster unless he's got some sort of split personality disorder.
Remember when Claire and Christian showed up at the Dharma cabin with Sun? There was smoke outside the door. So if Christian wasn't smokey was he reanimated like Claire and Sayid. Or was Christian part smokey? But I think Isabella was smokey and her image pulled from Richards mind.
As for the flash-sideways; if the Island is sunk as we saw, does that mean the cork is off and Evil now inhabits/controls the Earth? Is the flash-sideways World one were Evil dominates?
Most of the Losties lives in the flash sideways are better than they were. So maybe evil went down with the Island?Okay, I'm sure there is more going on. We have people who can appear both on and off the island who also look to be independent of the smoke monster unless he's got some sort of split personality disorder.
Remember when Claire and Christian showed up at the Dharma cabin with Sun? There was smoke outside the door. So if Christian wasn't smokey was he reanimated like Claire and Sayid. Or was Christian part smokey? But I think Isabella was smokey and her image pulled from Richards mind.
As for the flash-sideways; if the Island is sunk as we saw, does that mean the cork is off and Evil now inhabits/controls the Earth? Is the flash-sideways World one were Evil dominates?
Christian is smokey.
Christian has been telling Jack & Locke things that will either send them down the wrong path or get them off the Island. Remember, Christian tells Locke to turn the wheel. Turning the wheel throws you off the Island and moves it to a new place so you can't find it again. Christian/Smokey wanted Locke gone.
^ We also saw Christian off the island. He appeared to Jack.
It's no more absurd than a magical lighthouse that lets you watch people thousands of miles away.
Or any more absurd than learning that the vicious-sounding monster that roams the jungles of the island making ominous mechanical sounds, killing people indiscriminately, and tearing up trees left and right is just a pillar of smoke.
I disagree, I think remote-guiding the ship is more absurd than either of those. That's just my opinion though.
So far we haven't seen Jacob "will" anything. He uses devices. He touches people. But he's not like Neo in the Matrix. In my humblest opinion and based on my understanding of the mythology of the show as it's been laid out so far.
In terms of thematic themes of love, do you guys think this episode was on par with The Constant, with Penny and Desmond?
Everyone seems to be assuming that MiB and Christian are one and the same, even though this has actually never been proven.
And if all the dead people are manifestations of MiB, who/what is Hurley seeing?
Easy explanation is that Christian and MiB are not the same entity. And neither is the Isabella that appeared to Richard and MiB the same entity.
Instead, they're dead. Get it? Dead, as in ghosts. Maybe everything won't have a pseudo-scientific explanation.
Okay, I'm sure there is more going on. We have people who can appear both on and off the island who also look to be independent of the smoke monster unless he's got some sort of split personality disorder.
I can't remember: did the dead people start appearing off the island after the Oceanic 6 got off, or were they appearing in the flashbacks as well? I seem to remember Hurley's 6th sense only manifesting during the 2nd or 3rd seasons, when he was already on the island (correct me if I'm wrong). Which means that something happened after the plane crash. Maybe it's correct to assume that they are dead and have been since the plane crash.
My purgatory theory may still turn out to be correct! And if it is, let me be the first to say I told you so that the writers were lying to us in Season 1 when they said it wasn't purgatory.
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