ST09 critics, why don't you like it?

[ST-One]

Whatever Spock was doing, he wasted a massive amount of time.

Getting equipment he needed so that he could be beamed back to the Enterprise.

 

[TheQman]

Without reading any of the other posts.

It was too generic and it had no depth (the plot and the characters). The action was overdone. The set was overdone. It was too fast. And my last gripe that I can think of at the moment, LENS FLARES.

It didn't feel like trek and to me it isn't trek.

End of story.

 

[ST-One]

Without reading any of the other posts.

It was too generic and it had no depth (the plot and the characters).

Then it's at least on par with the other films.

The action was overdone.

Only compared to oldTrek.

The set was overdone.

Define that.

It was too fast.

Old fart Dennis could follow the movie just fine. If he can, so can you.

And my last gripe that I can think of at the moment, LENS FLARES.

How original.

It didn't feel like trek and to me it isn't trek.

How does Trek feel?

 

[Kirk1980]

It's nice to know ST-One and Dennis are critics as they seem to be two of the most voluminous posters in here.

I always wondered when they would admit their true feelings about this movie.

Thanks to the both of you!

 

[stonester1]

I do hope that with the next film, there are some slower, more contemplative moments. And though the new film was smart, it wasn't thoughtful. I do enjoy that aspect of Star Trek and I do hope they do incorporate some of those elements.

Also, though I had no problem following it, a bit less catering to the ADHD crowd WOULD be favorably met by me, and I'll wager by others, both among the old and new ranks of fans.

 

[I-Am-Zim]

Whatever Spock was doing, he wasted a massive amount of time.

Getting equipment he needed so that he could be beamed back to the Enterprise.

Why? Who was he going to shoot with that phaser? I can understand the communicator for transporter lock purposes. But why didn't they have an equipment locker within closer proximity to the transporter room. That would seem very logical. But then again, this isn't Star Trek as we know it. It's Abrams Trek. "Forget What You Knew". "This Isn't Your Father's Star Trek", etc., etc., yadda, yadda. And why did Spock have to take the turbolift when Chekov could get to the transporter room quicker on foot? The whole scene makes no logical sense. But it did add drama. So I guess it's okay, right?

 

[I-Am-Zim]

It's nice to know ST-One and Dennis are critics as they seem to be two of the most voluminous posters in here.

I always wondered when they would admit their true feelings about this movie.

Thanks to the both of you!

 

[John200]

lol this argument will go on forever.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

lol this argument will go on forever.

Yep, and the argument will change nothing: Abrams's movie is a success, partly because most of us trekkies like it.

 

[I-Am-Zim]

Without reading any of the other posts.

It was too generic and it had no depth (the plot and the characters).

I have to agree. It was basically a generic sci-fi summer popcorn flick with the name "Star Trek" slapped on it.

The action was overdone.

I like action. But yep, some of it could have been toned down. Some of us actually have an attention span longer than our noses.

The set was overdone.

Yeppers. The iBridge was awash in spotlights that shine in you eyes from every...conceivable...angle. Engineering was...well...it was a frakkin brewery!!! What more can one say?

It was too fast.

I don't know. I don't mind fast paced movies. But this one was a little fast in places. A little slow in others. I'm divided on that one.

And my last gripe that I can think of at the moment, LENS FLARES.

What the heck was JJA thinking? The sheer number of flares was absolutely rediculous! It was horrible and made the whole movie difficult to watch.

It didn't feel like trek and to me it isn't trek.

End of story.

I have the same feeling. It just didn't feel like the Star Trek that I know. Of course, the ad campaign did tell us to forget what we knew and that this isn't your father's Star Trek. So why did we expect anything more than what we got?

 

[I-Am-Zim]

lol this argument will go on forever.

It's only an argument when people argue. If this thread had been left to those of us who share the same opinion of the new Star Trek, as the OP intended, there wouldn't be so much "arguing" going on. Those with like opinions can "discuss" their points rather than arguing them with the JJ-Trekkies. I, personally, haven't even looked at that "other" thread out of respect for those to whom that thread caters. I have no business there. As you have no business here. This thread is for JJ-Trek critics, not fans. So, out of respect for us, kindly return to your own territory. Thank you.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

If this thread had been left to those of us who share the same opinion of the new Star Trek, there wouldn't be so much "arguing" going on.

That is not the way these forums work, or ever have worked.

No one is entitled to start private topics so that other people can agree with them. No one.

You should have hung out in the Enterprise forum way back when. TrekBBS administration had to drill us all on this principle just about every day.

 

[I-Am-Zim]

If this thread had been left to those of us who share the same opinion of the new Star Trek, there wouldn't be so much "arguing" going on.

That is not the way these forums work, or ever have worked.

No one is entitled to start private topics so that other people can agree with them. No one.

You should have hung out in the Enterprise forum way back when. TrekBBS administration had to drill us all on this principle just about every day.

I realize that. The point I'm making is that this thread is primarily geared toward those who have problems with the movie. It's also waaay more popular than the other one because you guys but in here to impose your opinions on us but we don't go to the other thread and muck up your joyride. That's the difference. We have enough respect for you to leave you alone. You don't share that respect with us.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

We have enough respect for you to leave you alone.

No. No, most of you don't.

Not that it's a matter of respect so much as a willingness to tolerate differences of opinion. I can state what I think and you can state what you think. Why do you need to be uncontradicted in order to feel "respected?"

 

[I-Am-Zim]

We have enough respect for you to leave you alone.

No. No, most of you don't.

Not that it's a matter of respect so much as a willingness to tolerate differences of opinion. I can state what I think and you can state what you think. Why do you need to be uncontradicted in order to feel "respected?"

I don't know what goes on in the other thread, because I don't venture there. Mainly because I wouldn't be able to contribute anything productive to the conversation. I don't mind being "contradicted". I can easily back up my statements with valid reasons for the way I feel. I have no problem with stating differences of opinion. However, there are some JJA "fans" who make a habbit out of talking down to those of us who don't share their opinions. Just because the movie made a bunch of money doesn't mean it was a good movie. There have been plenty of bad movies that made piles of money. In my opinion, Star Trek XI was one of them. If you don't feel that way, fine. Just don't try to make me feel like I'm "beneath" you because I don't like NuTrek. Because that won't work. Just because you are a fan of the movie doesn't make your opinions any more valid than ours. Some of the JJTrek "fans" need to realize that and think about it before they post. That's all I'm saying.

 

[John200]

Yeah having someone agree with you all the time can get rather boring don't you think?

That's why I make up the kind of threads I do to get people going.

Yes I'm responsible for the infamous 'gay vibe' thread under a different name.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

If you don't want to discuss or hear points of view other than yours about this movie, you are in the wrong forum. You can't have a private topic here.

If you don't venture into the other topics here, then you have no grounds on which to base your claim that folks who don't like this movie, including some of the other posters in this topic, "respect" those who do like the film. So it's hard to see why you'd make that claim to begin with.

 

[I-Am-Zim]

If you don't want to discuss or hear points of view other than yours about this movie, you are in the wrong forum. You can't have a private topic here.

I do, indeed, want to discuss other points of view. I thoroughly enjoy it. However, only if those points of view can be discussed with some dignity and/or respect rather than talking to the non-JJ fans as we are idiots simply because we don't share you opinions.

If you don't venture into the other topics here, then you have no grounds on which to base your claim that folks who don't like this movie, including some of the other posters in this topic, "respect" those who do like the film. So it's hard to see why you'd make that claim to begin with.

I do venture into other threads. The only one I don't venture into is the one intended for you, the JJ fan. In that particular thread I have nothing meaningful to contribute. I've contributed to several other threads on this board, just not that one. I have no business there.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

I do venture into other threads. The only one I don't venture into is the one intended for you...

They're all intended for any TrekBBS member to contribute to. And if you read the other threads here then you know that the assertion that the critics "respect" the avid fans by separating from them (as if that were a sign of respect) is not based upon fact.

 

[I-Am-Zim]

I do venture into other threads. The only one I don't venture into is the one intended for you...

They're all intended for any TrekBBS member to contribute to. And if you read the other threads here then you know that the assertion that the critics "respect" the avid fans by separating from them (as if that were a sign of respect) is not based upon fact.

Have you read anything I have posted? In a thread dedicated to AbramsTrek "fans", I can't contribute anything meanignful. All it would do is spark an argument, as it has here. In another thread about such things as the Abramsprise, the brewery, the iBridge, or other generic discussions about the movie or elements thereof, I feel that both sides are required to, and entitled to discuss those issues. I still firmly believe that those discussions of varying opinions should be done without resorting to insults or namecalling, which, unfortunately, the JJ Gushers are guilty of far more often than the non-jj fans.