They were. Whether or not you choose to accept that is another issue.
They weren't, whether you to delude yourself into thinking they are, is another issue.
Except not, it's the simple truth. I don't care about what vile thing I can say, I'm simply stated the truth. You don't like it, I don't care.
Incorrect, it's your
opinion. There is no hard
truth to what you said. There's a difference.
Incorrect. Each plot-hole can be objectively ascertained if someone is willing to be honest enough. No such number and size of flaws can be found in any of the other Star Trek films. It is thus an objective fact.
If it only were details, which would have produced a film with just one or two little problems as most movies have and it'd be a good movie.
You have taken minor details that most people didn't notice and blown them out of proportion to support your assertion that the entire movie was rendered horrible by them. It's a... high school text book example of the word hyperbole. But you aren't selling papers- you're touting an opinion and to be taken seriously (in this case that just means you want people to read your posts) such things must be viewed in perspective.
Yes, the perspective of objectivity. Mine happen to be objective, people who like the movie aren't willing to be objective. The real question should be, why people didn't notice not only details but even plotkilling massive holes, and why even with time between watching it and today, still aren't willing to examine the movie objectively and admit when there are movie-killing holes. And there are, just see below for one.
I could nitpick every Star Trek, Star Wars, and Stargate movie and television episode to the level you did but a declaration that all the inconsistencies, implausible scientific principles, internal disagreement, and plot holes rendered them all "idiotic" and "unwatchable" everyone would read that post as going out of its way to be contrary and to find fault where ever possible.
That's actually done. Nemesis comes out as a plot-hole ridden pile of junk. And yet, the ENTIRE Nemesis movie doesn't have as many plot-holes as ST09 manages in just one scene.
That's exactly how I read your post. It isn't that you're wrong about certain details (though I think you blow their impact on the film as a whole way out of proportion) it's more the fact that you cite such trivial things as "movie killers," not because they are individually but because of the number of them (which is again a matter of debate and taste) which you can point to for justification.
Going off the deep end, one way or the other, about this film doesn't make you seem emphatic or passionate; it makes you seem like you've got an axe to grind. That's true in both directions.
I refer to you back to the plot-hole of Spock arriving in the same transporter room that Chekov uses to save Sulu and Kirk after they are saved, Spock left the bridge minutes before Chekov did. I don't know what he went to do, took a side-trip to Earth to climb Mount Everest, there seems to be enough time for him to have done it. He would have saved both his parents and the rest, including his mother with multiple minutes to spare. If you add to that that the logical Vulcan government chose to hide in a place where they could not be contact makes the scene even more idiotic. A government, especially in hiding, needs communications ability to for example organize resistance and rebuilding efforts. Thus, the Vulcan High Council should simply have been able to be contact, get to a place where transporters can get them on their own and be beamed.
Result being that the scene where is mother died becomes laughable. She would have been saved with much time to spare if either the Vulcan Council wasn't comprised of people with no logic, or Spock understand the eminently logical concept of hurrying up and going straight to the transporter room.
Which are a movie-breaking flaws to anyone is willing to be objective about it. Flaws that reduce a dramatic scene to
at best and
at worst are movie breaking if you are objective.
Of course I do. Insurrection and Nemesis were good ideas executed poorly, but they were ideas I could get behind.
Enterprise E and her crew fighting for the lives of 600 people being
moved while the biggest war in Galactic history was underway? Yes
Oh, yes, absolutely, one of the greatest ideas indeed, if the Dominion War was prominently used. Start with the Enterprise in a battle with the Dominion; Riker commanding a different ship in that battle that gets destroyed and him killed, perhaps another main character gets killed, like Troi. Then have the E-E being diverted to the B'Aku, then let Picard's speech to the Admiral include the line, "What the hell are we all risking and sacrificing our lives for if the Federation starts Dominion practices!? We might as well just have surrendered to the Dominion from the start, and save a bunch of lives!?"
You make Picard's choice to go against orders for a large part about making sure his crew's sacrifices weren't in vain, not letting the Federation devolve into the Dominion (Lite), and you already have a very different, more visceral experience, one more personal. Finish the movie with the Dominion attacking and destroying the Briar patch, with a battle between them and Starfleet while Rafo (sp?) like captain Ahab refusing to give up the radiation despite the Dominion already being there and his family trying to get him to let go, and you have an extremely powerful movie.
Like he said; it's flawed in the execution, but the premise is magnificent.
The origins of a brand new James Kirk in a universe where anything is possible? No.
As per your argument if you excuse the first two as poorly executed good ideas I don't really see how you can't have the same claim for the XI.
Since there is no need for a new Kirk in a new universe, you can get stories with the original Kirk where practically the same amount is possible, or a new crew on a different ship in the same era as Kirk, where anything indeed is possible; putting a brand new James Kirk (inherently NOT Kirk) in a different universe completely abandoning 40+ years of a coherent universe (not counting Enterprise) is just idiotic from the get go.
But even if it were a "mere" flawed execution, the execution of this is so abysmally bad it makes other executions that were junk look like gems in comparison.
