Depends on who set up the poll.^^ Bully for them.
I can be a very stubborn cuss, cause I ain't given this film nothin'.
Oh, and I voted for the film on this site, too, but I can't remember if very disappointed or crap was one of the options.
ST09 critics, why don't you like it?
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There have been many - including a number here, including those cited by Christopher, and most importantly including the "only poll that matters," the one at the box office.
Without exception they reveal this film to be immensely popular, both with the general public and with Trek fans.
The only way that the negative fans could produce a poll showing that more than a small percentage of Trek fans reject the new movie would be to cook the books. So far, no one has tried to do that.
As importantly, only a little over 6% rated the film as "poor," and combining "poor" and "below average" together only brings the negative ratings to slightly over 10%.
Star Trek fandom has spoken out overwhelmingly in support of nuTrek.
IIRC, Spock and McCoy got sent back there by accident and they were not suppose to be there. But she was there "on purpose" and apparently she could not come forward again by some technical design of the machine. Unlike STXI, this was explained as a reason why a time-travel rescue seemed to be not possible. I think it's called "hanging a lantern"? - something that was missing in STXI.
I just read over the I-Chaya thing. One that doesn't apply to STXI because the lesson Spock supposedly learned was that "every life comes to an end when time demands it." Well, unless he felt firmly that everyone on Vulcan was meant to die so early, including his altverse Mom (which he addressed as his own at the end) then I doubt that XI was comparable to the TAS story. Didn't Spock even go back in time to fix the I-Chaya/his death as a boy problem?
Ah yes, Gillian There that inconsistantcy again. Wonder if she realy wound up on a science ship.
Well, let's hope she did. Although, there is room for The Wrath of Gillian. "THIS IS SCIENCE SHIP 5!!!!"
No, I'm thinking from a story point that the sorta-Prime Spock doesn't know how to time-travel. He knows many things, like transwarp transporter beaming (which he neglected to share with the other alternate universes) but I think time-travel isn't in this character's repertoire...
Here's an aside. What if sorta-Prime Spock is a bad guy? What if the story he told everyone is just BS just to save his own self? Now that'd be a twist
... but it kinda makes sense... He was "late" to save Romulus(sp). Right... He had a whole lot of red matter that he didn't really need. He was conveniently let off of Nero's ship unharmed and untortured. And he doesn't lift a finger to save his home planet (ok, the other guy's home planet) and he shows no interest in going back to his universe. Smells like a sneaky scum fugitive hiding in someone else's backyard to me 
But Spock could use the GOF or the Slingshot to bring her forward and not the machine. And surely they could find a cure for what ailes her.
Yes but in doing so he caused I-Chaya to die prematurely. So the present he left (or was trying to restore) was not the present he returned to.
Temporal Investigations probably drugged her, mind wiped her and sent her back to the 20th Century. Though I have a theory that her absence is why the whales went extinct in the first place.Ah yes, Gillian There that inconsistantcy again. Wonder if she realy wound up on a science ship.
Well, let's hope she did. Although, there is room for The Wrath of Gillian. "THIS IS SCIENCE SHIP 5!!!!"
No, most fans liked it.
So that's how polls work?
And I know 9 times as many who liked it and didn't vote either.
Needless to say, most fans liked it.
I-Chaya' and Zarabeth had no historical impact beyond how they effected Spock personally. The same cannot be said for the destruction of a founding member planet of the Federation, particularly since Spock was directly involved in the chain of events that led to Vulcan's destruction. Since Spock has been shown making calculations for time warps in his head, and this movie shows Spock taking no action whatsoever to repair the damage Nero has caused, or even suggesting that such a course of action is possible (when he has personally taken such actions in the past in similar circumstances), the only logical conclusion is that this is not our Spock, we're dealing with an alternate timeline even before Nero starts trashing the place.
Vulcan lives in Spock's home universe.
Zarabeth is a living being who deserves better than death and loneliness in primitive Ice Age conditions, yet Spock did nothing to save her with with two methods of time travel at his disposal. In "Yesteryear" Spock meddled with time and the past was altered. He made no attempt to correct this once he discovered the alteration.
By that reasoning, Spock shouldn't have gone back in the first place and let himself die at age seven and Amanda die in that shuttle accident. Not exactly a desirable outcome, especially if you start extrapolating all the things that wind up going badly because Spock wasn't there to give Kirk that bit of information or advice he needs or nerve pinch someone. You might even ramp this up to it leading to the destruction of the Earth by that whale-singing probe, because without Spock, the crew wouldn't have been hiding out on Vulcan, and therefore wouldn't be in a position to save the Earth when the rest of Starfleet is kayoed by the probe.
There's your Butterfly Effect right there.
There's your Butterfly Effect right there.
I just looked at the TAS episode's transcript. Granted I skimmed through it but it appeared that Spock or the GOF screwed it up when he wasn't there to save himself (yep). Both he and Kirk were on a GOF mission somewhere else when he was apparently suppose to be pretending to be his uncle Selek saving his younger self from death. In this case, Spock used the GOF to go fix it. But he did go fix it! (And saved his mom and himself to boot.)
The Zarabeth situation specifically stated that the machine altered her physically to be stuck in that time period. Anything they would need to do to alter her to be time-travel-friendly would've had to be in the past necessitating either multiple trips through the GOF or taking a ship back. However, the problem here is that Spock didn't screw up the timeline that was apparently meant to be and we don't know what Zarabeth's fate is. She could've been that planet's Mitochondrial Zarabeth. OTOH, if Spock had determined that taking her out of that planet's timeline was okay, he could go back at anytime - afterall, she isn't going anywhere
Both cases - still not applicable reasons as to why Spock sorta-Prime didn't try to at least save Vulcan. I still think he's a fugitive from his own universe
^^ As I stated elsewhere I think Spock prime knows that Vulcan in his own timeline is safe. Nero is just throwing a tantrum and wants something to smash to vent his range, but he doesn't change a damned thing in his original timeline. There Romulus is still toast and Vulcan still exists.
The point is, Spock's past was changed. His pet dies, wher before it didn't. So the unexpexcted can happen when you meddle with time.
The Zarabeth situation specifically stated that the machine altered her physically to be stuck in that time period. Anything they would need to do to alter her to be time-travel-friendly would've had to be in the past necessitating either multiple trips through the GOF or taking a ship back. However, the problem here is that Spock didn't screw up the timeline that was apparently meant to be and we don't know what Zarabeth's fate is. She could've been that planet's Mitochondrial Zarabeth. OTOH, if Spock had determined that taking her out of that planet's timeline was okay, he could go back at anytime - afterall, she isn't going anywhere
Or would they? I suspect the treatment was tied to the portal. Circumvent the portal, no problem.
It'd the Ice Age and if Kirks time jaunt was an indication,it was a lot like the one on Earth. So "Mitochondrial Anyone" probably happened long before. And there being no "Adam" means she's not the "mother" of her speices. Her genetic line ends with her.
Both cases - still not applicable reasons as to why Spock sorta-Prime didn't try to at least save Vulcan. I still think he's a fugitive from his own universe
I-Chaya address the risks of even time travel with good intentions changing things in unexpected way. Zarabeth shows that Spock hasn't used time travel to save people he cared for.
Time travel is a big ball of nonsense in Star Trek.
In Star Trek IV, they demonstrated conclusively that they can go back to any point in time, any time they wish. Hell, a single smart guy - Spock - can do the calculations on the fly for a vessel that he's had no previous operational familiarity with. He can do it upon Kirk's order. They go back to exactly the right time and return to exactly the instant that they left, despite the little curve that Spock indicates the whales threw him.
No one can credibly argue that in that time period the Federation does not have everything it needs for effective time travel, unless they make something up that's not in evidence at part of canon. There's an entire movie demonstrating that they do have the ability.
There is no reason, therefore, for Spock or any of his mates to have failed to return to any point in time to correct whatever bad thing they think needs correcting. Accidental deaths or heinous crimes would be particularly good candidates for that.
If Spock should have gone back in time to save Vulcan, he should have gone back in time to save Kirk's life by stopping Soran. He should have gone back in time to save David Marcus. He should have gone back in time to prevent V'Ger from destroying Epsilon Nine. He should have gone back in time to save Gorkon from assassination. He should have -
Fuck it. This is a nonsense argument because not only is Star Trek not real, its storytelling is demonstrably arbitrary and always has been.
In Star Trek IV, they demonstrated conclusively that they can go back to any point in time, any time they wish. Hell, a single smart guy - Spock - can do the calculations on the fly for a vessel that he's had no previous operational familiarity with. He can do it upon Kirk's order. They go back to exactly the right time and return to exactly the instant that they left, despite the little curve that Spock indicates the whales threw him.
No one can credibly argue that in that time period the Federation does not have everything it needs for effective time travel, unless they make something up that's not in evidence at part of canon. There's an entire movie demonstrating that they do have the ability.
There is no reason, therefore, for Spock or any of his mates to have failed to return to any point in time to correct whatever bad thing they think needs correcting. Accidental deaths or heinous crimes would be particularly good candidates for that.
If Spock should have gone back in time to save Vulcan, he should have gone back in time to save Kirk's life by stopping Soran. He should have gone back in time to save David Marcus. He should have gone back in time to prevent V'Ger from destroying Epsilon Nine. He should have gone back in time to save Gorkon from assassination. He should have -
Fuck it. This is a nonsense argument because not only is Star Trek not real, its storytelling is demonstrably arbitrary and always has been.
My problems with Trek 09 can be encapsulated in three words: Lowest Common Denominator.
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Zarabeth was part of another planet's history that played out as it should. I don't recall I-Chaya, but if Spock knew how it was suppose to go and it was screwed up, he would've done something about it. If he was part of messing up the time, he'd go and fix it. If it meant the saving of a planet, he'd find a way. And come on, Spock's MOM!
Oh, yeah. Oh, watch mommy die, is supposed to be a dramatic and sad scene... except that I laughed my ass off.
Spock leaves the bridge to go save his parents!
Chekov is in charge.
Kirk and Sulu are in trouble! The transporter chief can't save them. Chekov figured out a solution. Chekov runs of the bridge. Chekov reaches the transporter room. Some five minutes have now past since Spock left the bridge. Chekov performs his transporter rescue of Kirk and Sulu. Another minute has gone by...
Spock arrives in the same transporter room... later than Chekov who left the bridge minutes later AND spend his time saving Kirk and Sulu.
Hey, Spocky, Mr. Logic, if only you understood the complex logic of hurrying the fuck up when time is of the essence, eh? You would have saved your mommy with time to spare! But you know, that pesky quantum-hurrying, dang.
With ease, with simplistic ease. (Oh, and uh, this movie didn't explain a damn thing, which would be something I could be able to do.) But writing a script that is simply set in the original time line, that starts with Kirk taking over the Enterprise from Pike (bringing with him Mitchel and McCoy), and then goes back to show Kirk meeting Pike (He will be the examinator of Kirk's Kobayashi Maru test.) and Kirk's leadership as he convinces several people to help in the cheating, which include McCoy and Gary Mitchell, then show Kirk's first exciting mission commanding the Enterprise. At the end of the movie McCoy gets a message that his father is diagnosed with the incurable disease (which name I can't remember off the top of my had), and we see Kirk saying goodbye to McCoy and welcoming on board the temporary Dr Piper.
The thing is, a three-year-old could have written a better script as this movie is nothing but plot holes and idiocies.
Already did that. Spent 3 months in LA in 2006, problem is, I'm not an American native, which means you get to stay in America only 3 months; and since succeeding is 85% luck, I didn't have enough luck and/or time to succeed.
Herein lies the problem with the slingshot.
Not always. We have seen examples of nonsense time travel, such as First Contact, but STXI abandoned the idea that time travel must be inherently married to paradox.
In a freakin' heartbeat. I could do it as a reboot or as one set in the original continuity. No sweat.
Note: this thread appears to be more popular than the one designated for those who like the film. Hmmm...
It's not a problem, it's just a story conceit that Trek conveniently ignores without explanation and has for a long, long time.
It's like the Kelvan improvements to the engines of the Enterprise that vanished the week that followed the episode "By Any Other Name" - fans can make up whatever explanations they want to for it, but within Trek canon it's a completely unexplained inconsistency and just one of countless internal contradictions that do exist within the canon.
All of those things count, and trying to explain them away or make them all fit together logically is a waste of life - just accept them, or give up on the whole shebang. For god's sake don't go around insisting to other people that such things matter at all.
It's like the Kelvan improvements to the engines of the Enterprise that vanished the week that followed the episode "By Any Other Name" - fans can make up whatever explanations they want to for it, but within Trek canon it's a completely unexplained inconsistency and just one of countless internal contradictions that do exist within the canon.
All of those things count, and trying to explain them away or make them all fit together logically is a waste of life - just accept them, or give up on the whole shebang. For god's sake don't go around insisting to other people that such things matter at all.
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