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Why didn't Nero....?

Judge

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I am sure it has been discussed, but Ihave been away from the TrekBBS for a while. I am rewatching STXI this morning and wondering...

If Nero was so out for revenge against Spock, Vulcan and the rest of the Federation, why did he not take the Nerada to Romulus, deliver the furture tech to strengthen the Empire and destroy everything he hated?

Judge
 
I am sure it has been discussed, but Ihave been away from the TrekBBS for a while. I am rewatching STXI this morning and wondering...

If Nero was so out for revenge against Spock, Vulcan and the rest of the Federation, why did he not take the Nerada to Romulus, deliver the furture tech to strengthen the Empire and destroy everything he hated?

Judge

Because he had just escaped from a Klingon prison where he was kept for 20 years, where his sole motivation for living was to find Spock and make him watch while Nero destroyed Vulcan. If you were in a Klingon prison for 20 years, you wouldn't think straight either.
 
I am sure it has been discussed, but Ihave been away from the TrekBBS for a while. I am rewatching STXI this morning and wondering...

If Nero was so out for revenge against Spock, Vulcan and the rest of the Federation, why did he not take the Nerada to Romulus, deliver the furture tech to strengthen the Empire and destroy everything he hated?

Judge

Because he had just escaped from a Klingon prison where he was kept for 20 years, where his sole motivation for living was to find Spock and make him watch while Nero destroyed Vulcan. If you were in a Klingon prison for 20 years, you wouldn't think straight either.

He stated that he wanted to create a Romulus that was free of the Federation, and knowing Romulan politics (or ANY political entity), they would likely not know who he is, question him for years, wonder whether or not to trust him, and simply not be of any use.

Besides, he's a miner, and is probably not used to thinking tactically.
 
Why would Romulas being free of the Federation be a good thing? Don't Romulans like rivalry?

Romulan Commander: "A gift for our homeland. Another war."
 
Why would Romulas being free of the Federation be a good thing? Don't Romulans like rivalry?

Romulan Commander: "A gift for our homeland. Another war."

The Romulan commander was a little sarcastic there. You can almost see his eyes roll in disgust in that scene.

Great scene, BTW.
 
Because lowly underclass miners don't count for shit in the Empire. They're like prettier Remans without the stench.
 
I am sure it has been discussed, but Ihave been away from the TrekBBS for a while. I am rewatching STXI this morning and wondering...

If Nero was so out for revenge against Spock, Vulcan and the rest of the Federation, why did he not take the Nerada to Romulus, deliver the furture tech to strengthen the Empire and destroy everything he hated?

Who's to say he didn't try? The Empire probably recognized that he was, in fact, bat-shit crazy and wanted nothing to do with him. Considering the extent to which Nero's backstory at least allegorically mirrors bin Laden's, I'd be willing to bet the Romulans were thinking about peace initiatives with the Federation right around the time Nero showed up.
 
I'd be willing to bet the Romulans were thinking about peace initiatives with the Federation right around the time Nero showed up.

I wouldn't be to sure considering they were probably planing their attacks on the Federation Neutral Zone outposts with their first cloak equiped Bird of Prey at this time depending on when Nero could have gotten to them.
 
If I were in his position, I would not want to answer to anybody, which he would have to do.

The Romulans of this time might be tempted to interfere for whatever reason (they are not ready to antagonize the Federation just yet), and I would not want the Romulans directly invovled themselves should things go wrong.

Another reason: He simply didn't think of it.
 
I'd be willing to bet the Romulans were thinking about peace initiatives with the Federation right around the time Nero showed up.

I wouldn't be to sure considering they were probably planing their attacks on the Federation Neutral Zone outposts with their first cloak equiped Bird of Prey at this time depending on when Nero could have gotten to them.

This is diverged from the ENT timeline, remember? The Romulans have had cloaking tech for a hundred years by the time Nero first arrives.
 
...If we want to shoehorn "Balance of Terror" into all this (and the episode is a poor fit even within the TOS continuity, where all other episodes discuss invisibility as an old and common trick), we can always point out that the cloaked attack in that episode seemed to be the brainchild of "the Praetor". Given that Praetors in the Roman society were many, and always backstabbing each other and vying for power via pet projects that often were wars, it would make quite a bit of sense that the "Balance of Terror" attack would be something not particularly condoned by the Star Empire at large, or at least something not openly being prepared as of 2258 yet.

Peace initiatives sound good, IMHO. Between the divergence point in 2233, and Nero's attack in 2258, Starfleet in the STXI universe apparently learned a lot of facts about the Romulans, while Starfleet in the TOS universe learned nothing. How does one learn about the Romulans? By having them agree to contact. And that contact would be either war, or then a peace initiative. There's no clear indication that there'd have been a war in the recent past, so perhaps the Romulans came out of their shell in order to wage (insincere) peace?

Interestingly, we never learned what it was that kept most of Starfleet at the Laurentian system. It didn't relate to Nero's attack on Vulcan because those ships were at Laurentian before the Academy got the news of that attack. But it could have related to, say, an unidentifed Romulan's (that is, Nero's) fight with the Klingons (revealed the previous night, as Uhura tells), or anomalies in the Neutral Zone (also revealed recently, as Chekov says). If Starfleet was that concerned about vague things related to the Romulans or the RNZ, then it's quite possible that there indeed was a war with the Romulans at some point between 2233 and 2258! Or at least a raid similar to that described in "Balance of Terror".

Also,

This is diverged from the ENT timeline, remember? The Romulans have had cloaking tech for a hundred years by the time Nero first arrives.

For all we know, they had that tech for a hundred years before "Balance of Terror", too - they just didn't reveal it to outsiders in that timeline.

Or perhaps Archer's Starfleet didn't reveal the existence of Romulan invisibility devices to Kirk's Starfleet, for whatever reason? Plenty of dramatically interesting reasons could be woven into the fabric of the Romulan War that separated those two Starfleets...

Timo Saloniemi
 
Peace initiatives sound good,

Yeah, if you forget that the Romulans that fought in the Earth-Romulan War were still around and were probably still pissed about having their asses handed to them by an upstart power.

There are Iranians still around who remember the U.S. siding with Saddam Hussein in the Iran-Iraq war that killed nearly a million of their people, yet even with them there are elements pushing for some kind of peace process.

Grudges of old men do not a foreign policy make.
 
Peace initiatives sound good,

Yeah, if you forget that the Romulans that fought in the Earth-Romulan War were still around and were probably still pissed about having their asses handed to them by an upstart power.

There are Iranians still around who remember the U.S. siding with Saddam Hussein in the Iran-Iraq war that killed nearly a million of their people, yet even with them there are elements pushing for some kind of peace process.

Grudges of old men do not a foreign policy make.

Yeah, but do the Iranians have a depiction of the results of that war in their place of government like the Romulans do of the result of the Earth-Romulan War?
 
Yeah, if you forget that the Romulans that fought in the Earth-Romulan War were still around and were probably still pissed about having their asses handed to them by an upstart power.

There are Iranians still around who remember the U.S. siding with Saddam Hussein in the Iran-Iraq war that killed nearly a million of their people, yet even with them there are elements pushing for some kind of peace process.

Grudges of old men do not a foreign policy make.

Yeah, but do the Iranians have a depiction of the results of that war in their place of government like the Romulans do of the result of the Earth-Romulan War?

That kinda depends. How do the Romulans think of the Earth-Romulan War? Do we even know?

In some ways we were lead to believe the Romulans were totally humiliated and held a generational grudge that makes "Philippines and Japan" look like Rocky and Bullwinkle. But we never do find out for sure; for all we know most Romulans remember the war as "That stupid war that Praetor Valdore started just to divert attention away from son's extramarital affairs."
 
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