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Cloaking device in Enterprise Incident?

AxelFoley

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I just watched The Enterprise Incident for the very first time. What I didn't get was what was so revolutionary about their cloaking device this time around that made the Federation act in order to get their hands on it? They had it when we first saw the Romulans in Balance of Terror, so what was new?
 
I just watched The Enterprise Incident for the very first time. What I didn't get was what was so revolutionary about their cloaking device this time around that made the Federation act in order to get their hands on it? They had it when we first saw the Romulans in Balance of Terror, so what was new?

I think it was that the new cloaking device was completely unable to be tracked. With the old one, they could sort of tell it was somewhere out there, but not exactly where it was.
 
Ahh yes. In Balance of Terror they could pick up on their ship and follow its course despite the cloaking, I believe.
 
I just watched The Enterprise Incident for the very first time. What I didn't get was what was so revolutionary about their cloaking device this time around that made the Federation act in order to get their hands on it? They had it when we first saw the Romulans in Balance of Terror, so what was new?

I think it was that the new cloaking device was completely unable to be tracked. With the old one, they could sort of tell it was somewhere out there, but not exactly where it was.

Well, it was much better than Klingon cloaking technology. Kirk could "see" Kruge's cloaked Bird of Prey in STIII, even without his glasses. :rolleyes:
 
I just watched The Enterprise Incident for the very first time. What I didn't get was what was so revolutionary about their cloaking device this time around that made the Federation act in order to get their hands on it? They had it when we first saw the Romulans in Balance of Terror, so what was new?

You may recall in "Balance of Terror," the Enterprise was capable of tracking the cloaked Romulan ship using motion detectors. As long as the ship was in motion, it left some kind of telltale sign that allowed it to be tracked. (They matched the Romulan ship move for move like an "echo.") The cloaking device was an invisibility screen--Spock said "the selective bending of light." You couldn't see a cloaked ship, but there was all kinds of other stuff besides visible light that allowed its existence to be detected by sensors. It was when the Romulan commander jettisoned some material--and a bomb--that the Enterprise lost track of the Romulan ship. (The Romulans held perfectly motionless so there was no way to figure out where they were. I guess it's sort of like holding perfectly still when the T. Rex is around because it keys in on motion.) The point is the cloaking device doesn't allow you to see the ship. But it doesn't keep your sensors from detecting heat or motion or magentism or gravity or maybe even subspace distortion--just visible light.

At any rate, Mister Spock doesn't say in "The Enterprise Incident" that the Romulans now have a cloaking device. That would be silly. Eveyone already knows they do. It seems the Romulans have now improved their device and even the Romulan ship's motion doesn't give it away and allow it to be tracked the way it could be tracked in "Balance of Terror:"

"I believe the Romulans have developed a cloaking device
which renders our tracking sensors useless."

Or maybe to clarify a bit what Mister Spock meant:

"I believe the Romulans have developed a [better] cloaking device which renders our [motion] tracking sensors useless [when we had previously been able to use them to track a cloaked ship. So not only can we not see it, we can now no longer detect it other ways either like we used to be able to.]"
 
At any rate, Mister Spock doesn't say in "The Enterprise Incident" that the Romulans now have a cloaking device. That would be silly. Eveyone already knows they do. It seems the Romulans have now improved their device and even the Romulan ship's motion doesn't give it away and allow it to be tracked the way it could be tracked in "Balance of Terror:"

"I believe the Romulans have developed a cloaking device
which renders our tracking sensors useless."

Or maybe to clarify a bit what Mister Spock meant:

"I believe the Romulans have developed a [better] cloaking device which renders our [motion] tracking sensors useless [when we had previously been able to use them to track a cloaked ship. So not only can we not see it, we can now no longer detect it other ways either like we used to be able to.]"

I wondered about this years ago, and finally came to blame Nimoy's reading of the line -- perhaps at the behest of the director -- for the confusion. Because of the pause between "cloaking device" and "which" (which more correctly should have been "that"), the implication is that the cloaking device is a new development, contradicting the events of "Balance of Terror". I strongly suspect that somewhere along the line someone (the writer, the director, or Nimoy) either forgot about the prior episode or didn't think viewers would remember it. Add to that an overall increase in series continuity problems in the third season and the whole "Romulans using Klingon design" snafu when this was the first time the ships were seen in airdate order and I think you just have to suspend disbelief a little more than ususal and enjoy the episode as one of the season highlights.
 
What was in an earlier version of the script was that the cloaking devices in the Romulan cruisers was more advance than the ship in BoT, but the flagship's clocking device was more advance still, a prototype. This is what the Enterprise was sent to steal.
 
At any rate, Mister Spock doesn't say in "The Enterprise Incident" that the Romulans now have a cloaking device. That would be silly. Eveyone already knows they do. It seems the Romulans have now improved their device and even the Romulan ship's motion doesn't give it away and allow it to be tracked the way it could be tracked in "Balance of Terror:"

"I believe the Romulans have developed a cloaking device
which renders our tracking sensors useless."

Or maybe to clarify a bit what Mister Spock meant:

"I believe the Romulans have developed a [better] cloaking device which renders our [motion] tracking sensors useless [when we had previously been able to use them to track a cloaked ship. So not only can we not see it, we can now no longer detect it other ways either like we used to be able to.]"

I wondered about this years ago, and finally came to blame Nimoy's reading of the line -- perhaps at the behest of the director -- for the confusion. Because of the pause between "cloaking device" and "which" (which more correctly should have been "that"), the implication is that the cloaking device is a new development, contradicting the events of "Balance of Terror". I strongly suspect that somewhere along the line someone (the writer, the director, or Nimoy) either forgot about the prior episode or didn't think viewers would remember it. Add to that an overall increase in series continuity problems in the third season and the whole "Romulans using Klingon design" snafu when this was the first time the ships were seen in airdate order and I think you just have to suspend disbelief a little more than ususal and enjoy the episode as one of the season highlights.

I was never confused by that line. I always understood it to mean that the Romulans have developed a new and improved cloaking device which, unlike the previous version we saw, represents a real threat to the Federation and therefore they must steal it to figure out how to be able to track a vessel so cloaked. There was never anything ambiguous about it.
 
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