Never in so many words. More of the "lets not rush to change things. Maybe it will die out on its own" approach.
Captain America Takes on the "Tea Party"
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Until they kick such people out of their group, they will continue to be associated with them.
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Never in so many words. More of the "lets not rush to change things. Maybe it will die out on its own" approach.
And any court decisions that might in the past have 'rushed' such things were 'bad law'. Bad law, Bad!
Back in the seventies, liberals were the ones mostly protesting apartheid, book-burning, sexism, etc. So the comics I was referencing would have been considered "liberal" at the time.
Nowadays, the political wars are fought over different issues.
That is not true and you know it.
You're not asking the right questions. How will your hypothetical Wal-Mart worker and unemployed mother be helped in a declining economy with high unemployment, made worse by staggering national debt and budget deficits? What's the outlook for young Americans who will soon feel the burden of $800 billion in interest on the debt?Please define "normal Americans". Would you be referring to the ones that work at Target so they can pay out 1/4 of their income to day care and 1/4 for health insurance, with 7/8 of the rest going for rent? Or the ones like Paris Hilton, who spend 22,000$ on three days worth of tanning sessions so they will look good at the Oscar ceremonies?
Are you referring to the ones who have to pay a $1500 deductible for their 3 yr old son to see a pediatrician when he gets the flu, while mom is keeping the family barely above water with her unemployment check-which constitutes less than half of what she used to take home before a bunch of idiots loaned mortgages out to people who couldn't pay them on homes that weren't worth what they were assessed for, only to lose her job when those self-same idiots collected multi-million dollar bonuses while the housing market crashed? Which "normal" Americans do you speak of? Please, tell me!
http://www.heritage.org/research/budget/wm2595.cfm
You didn't the answer the question. What is a "normal" American?
You're not asking the right questions. How will your hypothetical Wal-Mart worker and unemployed mother be helped in a declining economy with high unemployment, made worse by staggering national debt and budget deficits? What's the outlook for young Americans who will soon feel the burden of $800 billion in interest on the debt?Please define "normal Americans". Would you be referring to the ones that work at Target so they can pay out 1/4 of their income to day care and 1/4 for health insurance, with 7/8 of the rest going for rent? Or the ones like Paris Hilton, who spend 22,000$ on three days worth of tanning sessions so they will look good at the Oscar ceremonies?
Are you referring to the ones who have to pay a $1500 deductible for their 3 yr old son to see a pediatrician when he gets the flu, while mom is keeping the family barely above water with her unemployment check-which constitutes less than half of what she used to take home before a bunch of idiots loaned mortgages out to people who couldn't pay them on homes that weren't worth what they were assessed for, only to lose her job when those self-same idiots collected multi-million dollar bonuses while the housing market crashed? Which "normal" Americans do you speak of? Please, tell me!
http://www.heritage.org/research/budget/wm2595.cfm
You didn't the answer the question. What is a "normal" American?
Please. Datagal has it, sees what I was asking. And quoting the Heritage Group? Really? Looking for an unbiased assessment, were we?
Brian M. Riedl is Grover M. Hermann Fellow in Federal Budgetary Affairs in the Thomas A. Roe Institute for Economic Policy Studies at The Heritage Foundation.
When I looked up Grover M. Hermann Fellow it led me almost directly to Fred Thompson's website(you know, the Republican Presidential candidate and former Law&Order actor?)
The Thomas A. Roe Institute delivers hits to places like Heritage.org and Heartland.org. So I looked:
The Heartland Institute is an American conservative free market -oriented public ... -Wikipedia
MediaTransparency reported that the Heartland Institute received funding from politically conservative foundations such as the Castle Rock Foundation, the Sarah Scaife Foundation, the John M. Olin Foundation, and the Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation.[8]
And you are using these guys as a source?
Tell me, are you an active participant in the Tea Party Movement or are you merely an advocate?
Maybe you could provide me with a credible source that reaches the opposite conclusion. Consider the accumulated national debt, the interest alone on the debt, the current deficit in Obama's new budget, and the looming deficits in entitlement programs such as Social Security and Medicare. Do you believe that all these staggering problems are merely illusions?
Please. Datagal has it, sees what I was asking. And quoting the Heritage Group? Really? Looking for an unbiased assessment, were we?
It's fascinating to see how liberals like you continue to lash out at the Tea Party. You should pay a little more attention to the real, serious issues that concern these folks. The issue is not the ethnic makeup or party affiliation of most Tea Party advocates. The issue is that the United States is broke. Get that through your thick liberal skull.
Maybe you could provide me with a credible source that reaches the opposite conclusion. Consider the accumulated national debt, the interest alone on the debt, the current deficit in Obama's new budget, and the looming deficits in entitlement programs such as Social Security and Medicare. Do you believe that all these staggering problems are merely illusions?
Please. Datagal has it, sees what I was asking. And quoting the Heritage Group? Really? Looking for an unbiased assessment, were we?
It's fascinating to see how liberals like you continue to lash out at the Tea Party. You should pay a little more attention to the real, serious issues that concern these folks. The issue is not the ethnic makeup or party affiliation of most Tea Party advocates. The issue is that the United States is broke. Get that through your thick liberal skull.
I just asked what you meant by "normal Americans". You're the one who can't seem to answer a simple question. In fact, this is the third time you've dodged that particular line of inquiry.
As for my being a liberal-you know nothing about my beliefs-I haven't stated any here. Where I fall on various social questions has not been made clear, either. As for lashing out-hmmmm, nope, no lashing evident around here. I could care less about the Tea Party Movement-any group with Sarah Palin as their most visible spokesperson is a joke in my book. That some of their members are fanatics makes me uneasy but many groups have fanatics-as long as we don't let the crazies get any real power who cares what they think or say?The Tea Party people may actually be trying to raise concerns about some of the issues our country needs to deal with-I wouldn't know as I have not studied them that closely. I've merely suckled from the media teat, absorbing sound bites and one line "news" reports about them. See, this whole thread started because I was amused that the "Tea Party Movement" was actually concerned about the content of a comic book. That their slogans, when used to portray unreasonable fanatics in the comic, worked so very well cracked me up. What it says about the Tea Party is an exercise for the thoughtful reader to work out. Meanwhile, could you please define "normal Americans" in the context in which you used the phrase? Because it didn't seem to jibe with what I posted but I want to be clear on your definition. Or is that asking too much? Perhaps smaller words would help-since you decided to personalize it by referring to my "thick skull".
ed.-and going back to your original statement-since you chose to ignore my response, at least in part, -that unemployed mother isn't hypothetical-she's my wife. $800 billion in interest on the national debt? We're far more concerned with paying for day care when my newest is old enough to attend. That's real, that's the kind of issue that matters to most "normal Americans" today.
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
I invite you to refer to the U.S. Debt Clock. It will help you keep tabs on your new baby's share of the national debt. Poor little thing. The numbers should make you upset. If attacking Sarah Palin makes you feel better, go right ahead.
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Don't give a damn about a "debt clock" - care about what I can hold in my hand. Wasn't attacking Palin-that would assume I warranted her important enough to make the effort. Just think she's a politician with poor mental resources available who's in over her head. Or, in the vernacular, a F---ing joke. STILL waiting on what you mean by "normal Americans" - or can't you get that through your thick skull?
American Thinker has a nice first-person perspective on the Tea Party movement. This should satisfy your sincere (hah!) craving for information about Tea Partiers. Since the author of the piece is African-American, he will probably be disparaged as an "Uncle Tom." Go on, let's hear it.
As stated above-I really don't care about the "Tea Partiers". I'm really just waiting for your definition of "normal Americans".
FIFTH REQUEST for clarity without a direct answer.
and I would never think or use the phrase "Uncle Tom". That is a literary convention that has evolved into a racially charged slur-which I would never use. I'm just not built that way, mentally. I don't base my dislike of people on racial, cultural or socio-economic status. If I choose to dislike someone its on an individual basis and motivated by their individual action(s).
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It's pretty funny though. His differentiation of "real Americans" from what I can only assume to be "People who voted for Obama" was one of the larger reasons why McCain lost all but one swing state and flipped a few red ones.
I can tell you that the McCain camp's definition of "real Virginia" pissed off "fake Virginia", which is where most of either Virginians live.
I can tell you that the McCain camp's definition of "real Virginia" pissed off "fake Virginia", which is where most of either Virginians live.
Hey, Cap took on the Klan back in the '70s - not so cutting-edge even then, obviously. So why shouldn't he find the Tea Party ridiculous as well? It's a fringe group supporting candidates and politicians that say stupid and bigoted things (like Tancredo's "literacy test for voting) and it's pretty ethnically homogenous.
As I suspected.
If you want clarity, go to back to post #53 in this thread. You'll see that I used the phrase "ordinary Americans," not "normal Americans." You've been misquoting me all this time, and I have ignored it.
BTW, "normal" is another one of those touchy words for liberals, and I'm sure that's why you're obsessed with it.
For the record, my definition of "ordinary Americans" refers to the middle class and working class, regardless of their location, race, religion, sexual preference or party affiliation.
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