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Kevin Smith "2 Fat 2 Fly" Southwest Airlines

JacksonArcher

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I'm not making this up, either.

Kevin Smith was delayed getting from Oakland to Burbank Saturday night because he was "too wide for the sky." According to the 'Clerks' and 'Jay & Silent Bob' director's Twitter, Southwest Airlines removed him from a flight after deeming him a safety risk.
Smith claims that he was removed because he was "too fat". Below are some of his angry tweets he directed at Southwest Airlines after being removed from the flight:

"Dear @SouthwestAir - I know I'm fat, but was Captain Leysath really justified in throwing me off a flight for which I was already seated?"
"I'm way fat... But I'm not THERE just yet. But if I am, why wait til my bag is up, and I'm seated WITH ARM RESTS DOWN. In front of a packed plane with a bunch of folks who'd already I.d.ed me as 'Silent Bob.'"
"Hey @SouthwestAir! I've landed in Burbank. Don't worry: wall of the plane was opened & I was airlifted out while Richard Simmons supervised."
Apparently Smith is really pissed about this, as noted by his numerous tweets. He also made a Smodcast where he ranted for over an hour about the ordeal.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/14/director-kevin-smith-too_n_461803.html
 
He's angry and rightfully so. If he can fit in between the armrests, then guess what? He's in one seat. Sounds to me like the Captain was being a jerk and nothing more.
 
Screw SW. If there was a cheaper way to get around my neck of the woods they wouldn't get another dollar.
 
Whether he is making a bigger deal out of this than he normally would due to Cop Out hitting in a couple of weeks or not...it's really great timing for Kevin Smith, especially if he gets to show up on Larry King or Oprah Winfrey due to this.
 
Regardless of if it's completely warranted or not, when you're fat enough to get thrown off a plane for being too fat. It's time to go on a diet.
 
What strikes me as odd is that he fulfilled (no pun intended) the regulations of obese people.. he fit in between two armrests and could close the security belt yet was forced off the plane.

I think he had the perfect revenge by dragging this out into the public and embarassing the company. Serves them right.
 
What strikes me as odd is that he fulfilled (no pun intended) the regulations of obese people.. he fit in between two armrests and could close the security belt yet was forced off the plane.

I think he had the perfect revenge by dragging this out into the public and embarassing the company. Serves them right.

Exactly. He followed the rules, and they still kicked him off. I hope he drags them through the mud for it.
 
Excellent PR move there Southwest. Piss-off a witty, outspoken, famous person. No one will ever hear a thing about it. You'll be just fine.
 
I seriously think 2 Fat 2 Fly would make a great comedy, about a fatty being kicked off the plane unceremoniously and then exacting revenge on the airline that kicked him off. Almost in the vein of Observe and Report (the second half, not the first).
 
A few observations:

1) Why was Kevin Smith, a presumably well-off successful Hollywood director, flying a budget carrier like Southwest in the first place? He could easily afford a first-class ticket on Delta, United, etc., where he's going to be more comfortable with a bigger, wider seat, more leg room and better service.

2) Southwest's policy is that passengers "of size" can purchase the adjacement seat. Again, the presumably wealthy Kevin Smith could easily afford a second seat.

3) Kevin Smith, nor anyone, has any "right" to fly on Southwest or any other airline. Under FAA rules, the captain has extraordinary authority to remove passengers if they feel safety is an issue, and it's likely this captain believed that Kevin Smith was either not safely secured in his seat or that his size caused discomfort and/or safety issues for the passengers next to him.

4) I've been on flights wedged next to passengers "of size" and it's an incredibly uncomfortable experience. I welcome the airline's policy that requires anyone who can't fit into a seat to purchase an additional seat, because at that point they're infringing on my rights as a fellow passenger to the seat I purchased.

5) The answer to this is not simply to complain that airline seats are too small. The reason the seats are so small is because it's the only way airlines can charge the low fares that everyone has come to enjoy over the past 30 years. Sure, the airlines can take half the seats out of the plane and make them big and roomy, but then I'd have to pay $1,000 to fly from Dallas to Chicago. No thanks.

6) Smith managed to insult everyone who flies Southwest by calling it the "welfare, food-stamp airline." Southwest's main customer base are leisure travelers and small businesses who don't fly very often and rely on their low fares for things like family vacations, so that's a real slap in the face to middle America.

7) Smith claims he was thrown off the flight because "he's fat" but also insists that the pilot really threw him of because he didn't like his movies. That's too entirely seperate situations. Well, which is it?

Frankly I think Kevin Smith is being a bit of an ass, especially since he can easily afford other options. I think he was embarrased by the incident and realized that other passengers would be tweeting/facebooking it, so he decided to preempt the publicity by sending out his own tweet about how he'd been "mistreated."
 
Maybe Kevin Smith deliberately caused this whole thing just to get media coverage when it just so happens he has a movie coming out...
 
A few observations:

1) Why was Kevin Smith, a presumably well-off successful Hollywood director, flying a budget carrier like Southwest in the first place? He could easily afford a first-class ticket on Delta, United, etc., where he's going to be more comfortable with a bigger, wider seat, more leg room and better service.

Because Southwest is far cheaper than most airlines, according to Smith, and while he can afford flying on a more luxurious airliner, Smith claims that he does like to be conservative financially and if he flew airlines like Delta, United, in first class then economically it might become a tad expensive for him. Smith also claims that he isn't as successful as you might think, and in these hard times prefers to be economical and conservative.

2) Southwest's policy is that passengers "of size" can purchase the adjacement seat. Again, the presumably wealthy Kevin Smith could easily afford a second seat.
The plane was fully booked and the only available seat was the one Smith was given.

3) Kevin Smith, nor anyone, has any "right" to fly on Southwest or any other airline. Under FAA rules, the captain has extraordinary authority to remove passengers if they feel safety is an issue, and it's likely this captain believed that Kevin Smith was either not safely secured in his seat or that his size caused discomfort and/or safety issues for the passengers next to him.
That's bullshit. According to Smith, he didn't even see the captain and the captain didn't see Smith. Smith could easily fit into his seat with the arm rests down, with his belt fastened and secured. In what way was Smith a "safety risk" for the airline, especially, as Smith noted in his SModcast, that there were other people significantly fatter than him that were being allowed to remain on the plane.

4) I've been on flights wedged next to passengers "of size" and it's an incredibly uncomfortable experience. I welcome the airline's policy that requires anyone who can't fit into a seat to purchase an additional seat, because at that point they're infringing on my rights as a fellow passenger to the seat I purchased.
It's a fucking two hour flight. I've been in that experience as well and you know what my response is? Get over it. It's two hours of your life, and if you are a tad uncomfortable, be a big man and deal with it.

5) The answer to this is not simply to complain that airline seats are too small. The reason the seats are so small is because it's the only way airlines can charge the low fares that everyone has come to enjoy over the past 30 years. Sure, the airlines can take half the seats out of the plane and make them big and roomy, but then I'd have to pay $1,000 to fly from Dallas to Chicago. No thanks.
Smith is not complaining about the size of the seat, but about the unfair and unruly treatment he was given by the staff of Southwest Airlines.

6) Smith managed to insult everyone who flies Southwest by calling it the "welfare, food-stamp airline." Southwest's main customer base are leisure travelers and small businesses who don't fly very often and rely on their low fares for things like family vacations, so that's a real slap in the face to middle America.
Smith was speaking in jest. I mean, c'mon, Smith and his wife mentioned on the SModcast that they fly Southwest Airlines all the time -- sometimes five times a week. So by that extension Smith is insulting his own family, which I doubt was his intention. He was merely commenting that Southwest Airlines has very cheap fares, which he and his family happily take advantage of.

7) Smith claims he was thrown off the flight because "he's fat" but also insists that the pilot really threw him of because he didn't like his movies. That's too entirely seperate situations. Well, which is it?
He was speculating on the theory that the captain didn't really like his movies. I also think he was merely joking. What he did truly hypothesize is that the agent he encountered just before he boarded the plane asked if he was a "revenue" passenger or not, meaning did he pay cash or not, and Smith thinks it is somewhat possible he received the harsh treatment he did because of that agent, which trickled down to the stewardess that unceremoniously kicked him off the plane.

Frankly I think Kevin Smith is being a bit of an ass, especially since he can easily afford other options. I think he was embarrased by the incident and realized that other passengers would be tweeting/facebooking it, so he decided to preempt the publicity by sending out his own tweet about how he'd been "mistreated."
I think Smith is definitely blowing this situation extremely out of proportion. What will this accomplish? A refund by Southwest Airlines at the maximum. Will they revolutionize their policies because of Smith's viral outrage? Probably not, but I understand Smith's anger and frustration over the incident, and he figures, he has enough pull and enough of an audience that maybe -- just maybe -- this type of mistreatment might not occur to someone like him in the future.
 
Smith actually did have a 2nd seat purchased, and apparently he usually does, but he was offered the seat as a standby passenger on the earlier flight.

And because he can afford first class, he should take it, and by not doing so, this is somehow partly his fault? Please. :rolleyes:
 
So being a frequent SW flier, he's not only aware of their policy but regularly participates in it by purchasing a second seat when he flies. If the plane is not full, the cost of the second seat is refunded to the traveller.

He had an opportunity to go standby on an earlier flight with only one seat available. He should have been able to predict what might happen.
 
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