From reading this thread, it almost seems like The Gay mutated and took over the world!
Who was gay?
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If they can find a way to write realistic gay characters without making them two-dimensional, seem out of place or just to be edgy or appease gay communities, then I wouldn't have a problem, but that's never the case. They always seem to add one gay character for the sake of it and either write him/her really unrealistically by making him/her attracted to every single character of the same sex and making a huge deal out of it, or they try to make it seem like no big deal by giving the character lots of dialogue about his/her relationships and making the other characters just shrug it off, but it's executed in a way that the viewer gets the impression they're making a big deal out of it.
The whole "multicultural Britain" thing is another argument for another thread in another forum, however, I was just giving that as an example of how they try and cram every race and sexuality they can into shows for the sake of it.
If they can find a way to write realistic gay characters without making them two-dimensional, seem out of place or just to be edgy or appease gay communities, then I wouldn't have a problem, but that's never the case. They always seem to add one gay character for the sake of it and either write him/her really unrealistically by making him/her attracted to every single character of the same sex and making a huge deal out of it, or they try to make it seem like no big deal by giving the character lots of dialogue about his/her relationships and making the other characters just shrug it off, but it's executed in a way that the viewer gets the impression they're making a big deal out of it.
The whole "multicultural Britain" thing is another argument for another thread in another forum, however, I was just giving that as an example of how they try and cram every race and sexuality they can into shows for the sake of it.
It seems that is that viewer's problem for making a big deal out of it when it should not be a big deal.
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it so weird why people see it as a gay, that just a robot with no sexual interest, I mean look at the show, just because they always seen together it doesnt meant they make love at night
I don't think it is, nor that most people do really care. My interest in threads like this is the good-natured creativity posters, usually straight, bring to them.
I really hope you're just joking, because otherwise I would have to try to get behind the notion that you actually believe in this utter nonsense.
Trust me, I'm not joking. Harry Kim was most definately gay, the hetero thing was just a pretence, the same applies to Geordi. Data was just Data and could be influenced either way but fell in with a gay engineer. Wesley, need I say more.
Worf was going out with Jadzia but Jadzia was originally a man. It was man on man love there.
Says the guy with an avatar of a flaming-maned pony and a football player with a purple mountain in the background.
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I always thought that Vorta were asexual (they were cloned by the Founders, who probably wouldn't have found it useful to give their minions a sexual drive any more than they did to give them a sense for aesthetics) and that the only reason they even had genders was in order to interact better with the humanoids (both in order to appear more similar to them, and to have a more attractive appearance, which could be important for a diplomat). But I don't think it was ever really established on screen whether they were or not.
Did Jeffrey Combs ever say anything about the reasons why he adopted camp mannerisms? I presume it was just a part of the over-smarmy and smug Vorta persona.
The Vorta were strange. We never saw two flirt with each other...but then two were rarely in the room with each other. Maybe they were asexual in terms of reproduction (they were immortal via cloning anyway) but they slithered around and teased people (they used their sexuality as another weapon in their arsenal) in service to the Founders. But then wouldn't they all be engineered to be gorgeous and bisexual?
We're also talking about the few we've seen (all "diplomats"), mostly during work hours, so maybe Ezri's joking suggestion that they're all sex maniacs is accurate.
We're also talking about the few we've seen (all "diplomats"), mostly during work hours, so maybe Ezri's joking suggestion that they're all sex maniacs is accurate.
^ Wasn't there one DS9 ep where it's said that Vorta were engineered to not be able to feel pleasure?
Maybe not, but Harry could have been afraid that Seven would literally snap him in half. I mean, look at it. She's never had sex in her life, I doubt she even knows her own strength. She could probably kill Harry without even realizing it. (In "Someone to Watch Over Me" didn't she almost rip a guy's arm off when trying to dance with him?) And, hot as Seven was, nothing kills the mood faster than a flat robotic voice saying "Do you wish to copulate?"
Besides, Harry had a girlfriend back home, didn't he? I never pegged him as the cheating kind.
Maybe not, but Harry could have been afraid that Seven would literally snap him in half. I mean, look at it. She's never had sex in her life, I doubt she even knows her own strength. She could probably kill Harry without even realizing it. (In "Someone to Watch Over Me" didn't she almost rip a guy's arm off when trying to dance with him?) And, hot as Seven was, nothing kills the mood faster than a flat robotic voice saying "Do you wish to copulate?"
Besides, Harry had a girlfriend back home, didn't he? I never pegged him as the cheating kind.
And prancing around bare-chested, waving his sword.
Actually, none of the regular characters in TOS were that way. But we all knew this dude was as gay as a Chinese kite!
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I think Weyoun said that the Founders had created them to not feel emotion. (He uses a technical term, which I can't remember.)
^ actually I remember now, Vorta have almost no sense of taste. The only thing they can enjoy tasting is nuts and berries (from their homeworld).
No it's that they enjoy foods with pleasing textures rather than tastes because they have a very poor sense thereof. Primitive Vorta who lived in trees used to eat nuts and berries mostly, but that says little of how tasty those nuts and berries were. I think that sense was engineered out of them, mostly, later. I guess the Founders wanted the Vortas' lives' pleasures to come from service to them.
So is it a fair trade? Some Vorta monkey takes pity on a Founder and hides it, and in return they get higher reasoning, and probably more developed bodies, but lose the ability to feel anything but misplaced religious pleasures?
Of course, the story may be total myth.
So is it a fair trade? Some Vorta monkey takes pity on a Founder and hides it, and in return they get higher reasoning, and probably more developed bodies, but lose the ability to feel anything but misplaced religious pleasures?
Of course, the story may be total myth.
From a strategic point of view, it is useful to have them be attractive and flirtatious and use that as a weapon... Maybe they can have sex for that purpose, but only if it is possible for them to do so without feeling a sexual urge themselves or getting a real pleasure out of sex? But giving them an actual sex drive/desire/ability to feel sexual pleasure would be a double-edge sword. They would be as likely to be targets for manipulation as to be manipulators, and without taking that into consideration, the Founders probably wouldn't want their servants to develop any other strong interests that could interfere with their single-mindedness and devotion to the Founders. (Just like the Jem 'Hadar aren't supposed to care about anything but the white.) I think that the lack of aesthetic sense and ability to feel tastes and smells may also be because of the same idea, to prevent the Vorta enjoying the sensual pleasures that the conquered races could offer, which could end up making some of them get attached to the conquered races cultures, or allow enemy agents to manipulate them.
That didn't stop him with the alien girl he fell in love with (what was that episode called?), Lindsay Ballard, or from chasing one of the Delaney twins.
This, however, is all the explanation you need on why Harry refused Seven's offer.
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