Ventral saucer impulse engines on nuEnterprise?

[nil_jones]

I searched the thread a couple of different ways but haven't found a definite yes/no on this. When the Enterprise drops out of warp near Saturn, Sulu calls for a 1/4 impulse burst for five seconds and he'll "do the rest with thrusters."

The very next shot is an exterior of big lady E, with what appears to be red jet-like things shooting out of the ventral side of the saucer. I saw at least three on the starboard and aft and could only imagine there were a couple more on the port side. (this is around the 1:37:18 mark).

Since that was the next immediate shot after Sulu says "fire," are we to assume that the alt. universe Enterprise has ventral firing Impulse engines? The cut was too sharp and immediate to lead me to think that those were his thrusters, and it would make sense that one would want the ability to move at significant sublight velocities along the Z-axis.

Just curious if anyone else thought similarly...or if I should've checked the Threads more carefully (or the Tech forum) b/c this had already been addressed.

 

[Tom Riley]

I would say those are impulse engines. They aren't lit up at all after the ship clears the dust, yet the ship is still moving which is where the thrusters would have been used, so that leads me to believe that those are indeed impulse engines...

Links to some screenshots:

 

[SilentP]

It hasn't been discussed as far as I know (though I haven't dropped into this forum in a while). I would say it would be safe to guess that the red jet-like thrusts are the impulse engines that Sulu was asking for to perform the manouvre, due to the timing you ask, the matching colours and the fact I'd say there's nothing to say that a ship's impulse engines must only be aft facing.

 

[T'Girl]

Given the truely immense size of the nu-Enterprise the jets shown could each be the size of the original Enterprise's impulse engines. They might be in the locations of the malnuvering thrusters seen on the Enterprise-A, with smaller malnuvering thrusters scattered about the hull. The twin engines in the traditional place would be scaled up to the mass of the new ship.

 

[Timo]

I don't quite get the above arguments, though. Sulu said he needed an impulse burst, after which he'd proceed with thrusters. These red flames are the last thing we see before the ship comes to a stop. So doesn't it then directly follow that the flames are the thrusters?

Timo Saloniemi

 

[F. King Daniel]

They were thrusters. It was said in the movie.

Anyone remember that TNG episode where Picard was flying the ship and we actually saw the thrusters fire? Same thing here.

 

[James T.Shepard]

Well Sulu did ask for a "Burst" which implies a small and quick release of force.
The red jets might actually be the thrusters he was talking about.

Oh and Hi! New member here. DS9/VOY fan and loved the Abram's movie.
Also, I'm a fan of Mass Effect, an action RPG game which has taken ideas from many science fiction franchises. "Shepard" is the main character

Also, impulse engines are not supposed to release a jet I believe.

 

[Jeri]

Oh and Hi! New member here. DS9/VOY fan and loved the Abram's movie.
Also, I'm a fan of Mass Effect, an action RPG game which has taken ideas from many science fiction franchises. "Shepard" is the main character...

Nice to see you, JTS; welcome to the forum.

 

[ncc-1017-e]

OOPS another not well thought out sequence in the movie.

 

[Tom Servo]

OOPS another not well thought out sequence in the movie.

Ah, no. It was fine. Sulu asked for Chekov to handle the impulse burst, and he would handle it with thrusters. Those are the thrusters. You can see them also firing when the Enterprise ducks under the giant saucer when she comes out of warp at Vulcan.

Do you EVER have anything intelligent to add to the conversation besides drive-by swipes at the film? You are even now attacking it for things, that they got right.

 

[Char Aznable]

OOPS another not well thought out sequence in the movie.

 

[M'Sharak]

OOPS another not well thought out sequence in the movie.

Do you EVER have anything intelligent to add to the conversation besides drive-by swipes at the film?

If he does, then it will be worthy of a response. But this? Not so much.

 

[ncc-1017-e]

OOPS another not well thought out sequence in the movie.

Ah, no. It was fine. Sulu asked for Chekov to handle the impulse burst, and he would handle it with thrusters. Those are the thrusters. You can see them also firing when the Enterprise ducks under the giant saucer when she comes out of warp at Vulcan.

Do you EVER have anything intelligent to add to the conversation besides drive-by swipes at the film? You are even now attacking it for things, that they got right.

I agree with you about the thrusters! You know what there are other folks on TrekBBS that feel exactly like I do. If you have anything at all negative to say about this movie you are just attacked for your opinion. It is just ridiculous. You folks on all these TrekXI threads are just clinical! Good times!

 

[M'Sharak]

If you have anything at all negative to say about this movie you are just attacked for your opinion. It is just ridiculous.

It's also not true, but keep repeating the mantra; those few who actually believe it will continue to believe it in spite of plentiful evidence to the contrary.

Meanwhile, let's get back to the topic of the thread, shall we?

 

[ncc-1017-e]

^ Like I said clinical!

 

[Tom Riley]

Aaaaanyways... The red jets aren't from right before it stops, the red jets fire, and then the Enterprise still rises up out of the dust before coming to a stop, The jets are seen directly after he asks for the impulse burst, and then there is at least another ten seconds of no jets as it rises up out of the dust and then stops... Now... In order for the ship to stop moving, it would have to use thrusters or some sort of propulsion system to cancel out their movement. The red jets we saw made quite the noise when they were fired, when the Enterprise had already exited the dust and came to a stop there was no red jet sound. That's why I think it was impulse engines... I know it's different that they are on the bottom, but for an impulse burst, if they were only facing aft, then there would have been forward momentum, which there wasn't. This indicates that all motion applied to the vessel was aimed in the same direction... the propulsion systems used would have to all be pointed down... this would have to include the impulse engines...

 

[Sabataage]

OOPS another not well thought out sequence in the movie.

I just edited out a snarky comment about phasers and photon torpedoes being interchangeable on TOS.

I took the upward movement out of the atmosphere as the impulse burst, with the badass pose the ship strikes (as well as the red flames coming out of the saucer) as the doings of the thrusters.

 

[npsf3000]

Rewatched the scene.

And the scene where is 'dipped' under the debris.

Given the way they act(in the 'dipping' seen) they seem more like thrusters. In the moon they seem more like impulse.

I settle for pretty lights

 

[OneBuckFilms]

One thing to note is that the thrusters may actually still be firing as the Enterprise is rising above Titan's atmosphere.

This makes sense to me since the ignighted gas from the thrusters would have no other gasses (such as the shots within Titan's atmosphere) to react to.

It is also likely that the busrt from the Impulse Engine could be simultaneous with the thrusters rather than before.

 

[nil_jones]

It is also likely that the busrt from the Impulse Engine could be simultaneous with the thrusters rather than before.

After posing the initial question i came to that realization myself. I know that we never see "impulse exhaust," but on the same token, I can't recall a moment aside from "Booby Trap" where we see thruster exhaust either...although I'm sure there's one out there.