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And if wishes were horses then beggars could ride.
Pocket has never been afraid of risks. New Frontier, Vanguard, DS9 post-finale, Titan, Gorkon, Articles of the Federation, SCE, etc.
I'd also speculate that the target audience of the novels is wildly different from the target audience for the toys.
Also, since listings have popped up for a re-print of Foster's adaptation of the film, it is pretty clear Pocket isn't giving up on JJ's universe.
I'd also speculate that the target audience of the novels is wildly different from the target audience for the toys.
Also, since listings have popped up for a re-print of Foster's adaptation of the film, it is pretty clear Pocket isn't giving up on JJ's universe.
I find it very hard to believe that the pre-orders for these were that bad. The movie was a lot more popular, and a lot more recent than any of the most recent Prime series/movies, and their books are still popular enough for them to be continuing for at least the next 2 years.
I guess they don't want to contaminate the new dumbed-down Star Trek with things like character development and interesting dialogue. 
As Allyn explained, it's too early for pre-orders to be a factor at all.
I really, really don't think this has anything to do with the content or performance of the books. That just doesn't fit the facts. I suspect the reasons for this involve business factors that are invisible to the readership.
Well, something indicated to Pocket that putting these books out at this time would be a bad thing. Playmates suspended a pretty highly touted line of toys based on the same property. If the toys couldn't hack it, it's not unreasonable for some marketing whiz kid to infer that books based on the same property likely won't fare much better.
Ok, I don't know anything about the book biz, but to me it seems pretty clear that Pocket is at the mercy of the studio on this.
Let's not kid ourselves here, if the book line was dependant on the sell of other tie-in products, like the toys, we would have lost the books a long time ago.
But hey I could be wrong...
ncc71877
Let's not kid ourselves here, if the book line was dependant on the sell of other tie-in products, like the toys, we would have lost the books a long time ago.
But hey I could be wrong...
ncc71877
Books =/= action figures.
If anything, the fact that IDW has four series related to the movie (Countdown, Spock: Reflections, Nero and the upcoming-and-not-cancelled movie adaptation) shows that there is a market for that property.
If anything, the fact that IDW has four series related to the movie (Countdown, Spock: Reflections, Nero and the upcoming-and-not-cancelled movie adaptation) shows that there is a market for that property.
As you've been told repeatedly, it's profoundly unlikely that Pocket made this decision. Pocket invested heavily in these books; there's no way they'd abandon that unless someone else told them to. Remember, Pocket is just the license holder. They publish these books in service to and with the approval of the property owner. Star Trek overall belongs to CBS; Star Trek movie rights are held by Paramount; and the movie itself was co-produced by Paramount and Bad Robot (and Spyglass Entertainment, though only as a financial backer). Those are the companies that ultimately make the decisions about the franchise.
That doesn't make a lick of sense. Trek novels have been selling well for decades without any significant toy presence. And as stated above, the two products don't have the same customer base.
But why am I bothering to explain this? I remember now, you have an agenda here. You're not interested in objective facts, you just want to put down the new movie and pretend in your own mind that it was a failure.
Okay, so here's a question for you, Captain: why just the nuTrek novels? Why not also pull the book about the Vulcan lieutenant who hasn't been seen on screen for 25 years? Why not the book about Captain Ezri "When the Fuck Did She Become Captain?" Dax of the USS Never Seen on Screen? What logic deems that those books get published, but not the follow-ups to last year's multi-million dollar box office smash?
Seriously, dude...
The trade novelization of the film was the first Star Trek novel on the New York Times Bestsellers list in ages. That wouldn't be the reason to nix a standalone original novel/sequel by the same author, not when the Alan Dean Foster novelization has just been announced as an upcoming MMPB reprint.
The DVD of the movie has surpassed 8 million units sold.
I have a question for you Christopher. Didn't you write one of the four books? If you were, I'm really sorry about your book not being published. I feel really bad for all you putting so much hard work into those books and it never been seen to the public. I was really looking forward to reading your book as well as the others, they seemed very intersting. I hope that sometime your book as well as the others get to the shelves. If they do, you know I will be reading them.
The difference between established lines and a new, largely unproven line. I don't count the DVD and novelization, because we're still talkin' the movie, not something based on the movie.
The only thing anybody knows is that somebody pulled the plug on these books. The only explanation that makes any kind of sense, to me at least, is that in that somebody's estimation, the marketability of these books wasn't what they wanted, and there's a few anecdotal points to support that view, like Playmates canceling their line of Trek09 toys, the toys they did put out currently in large quantities in the clearance shelves at Toys R Us, the Haynes Guide on the new Enterprise vanishing off of everyone's radar.
Clearly, the marketing of this thing is in retreat. The "why" may not have a whole lot of grounding in reality, since we are probably talking about marketing bozos, but there is a chain of logic to follow.
And you found an illogical pathway while following it.
IDW's movie-based comics (Countdown, Nero, Spock: Reflections) are outselling their non-movie comics, and by a rather nice margin.
But please, don't let my facts get in the way of your fantasy.
Logic is not a guaranteed path to truth. It's a method for organizing information and drawing conclusions from it. If the initial facts and assumptions you plug into a logical process are invalid, then the result of the logical analysis will be equally invalid. And the facts and assumptions you're plugging in are all totally wrong and ridiculous, as you've been told over and over again by plenty of people who know what they're talking about. Garbage in, garbage out.
Not to mention that your "logic" process isn't even logical. Logic doesn't mean cherry-picking the facts. It's illogical to insist that there's a correlation between toy sales and book sales in this case when there never has been in any previous case. That's not logic, it's a leap of faith.
Well put, Christopher - and to quote a certain Vulcan, "Logic is the beginning of wisdom, not the end."
And by the way, this
is my favorite thing I've read online all week.
And to quote a certain Time Lord, "Logic, my dear Zoe, merely enables one to be wrong with authority."
Now that is Impressive.
Dax captained the Defiant in Season 6 while Sisko was flying a desk. right?
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