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The Line Should be Drawn THERE!

Too Much Fun

Commodore
Commodore
This thread is partially inspired by the thread in the TV/Media section about sequels ruining the movies that preceded them, and also by my recent viewing of the TNG episode "Sins of the Father". At the end, in a very touching moment, Picard tells Kurn, "do not forget what he does today...do not let your grandchildren forget" and then I realized that Kurn would never get to do what Picard had asked him to (which he had agreed to do) because of the DS9 episode, "Sons of Mogh".

I've always liked that episode, but now that I've realized it sort of retroactively cheapened or robbed the end of "Sins of the Father" of its power, I kind of wish it had never been made...or at least I'd never seen it. This got me wondering, does anybody else dislike certain episodes in the Star Trek franchise that upset them because of how their events could change our perception of what had happened in a previous series?

Keep in mind, I'm not asking about movies. I know many have said they didn't like how the Borg were brought back after their TNG episodes in "First Contact" or what happened to Data in "Nemesis". I like DS9 a lot, but I realize a lot of their 'sequels' to TNG episodes disappointed me. I didn't like them bringing Alexander back (I think he and Kurn were both kind of ruined by that series), and I wasn't too crazy about their use of Q either (or "Voyager's"), although I found the non-TNG Q episodes tolerable. Actually, the Q ones were some of the most watchable episodes of "Voyager" I've seen (can't stand that series).

Are there other episodes you think took pre-existing storylines and/or characters from a previous Star Trek series too far as THE LINE should have been drawn earlier (for where to wrap up the storyline or character arc), stopping this unnecessary follow-up before it was conceived?
 
Why do I have a feeling that there would be many responses that will include the words "Voyager" and "The Borg" in the same sentence? ;)

"Mirror, Mirror" was one of my favorite TOS episodes, but the Mirror Universe episodes on DS9 made me wish it had never been introduced in Trek.
 
"Mirror, Mirror" was one of my favorite TOS episodes, but the Mirror Universe episodes on DS9 made me wish it had never been introduced in Trek.

This surprises me. Those are actually some of the follow-up episodes I did like, along with TNG's "Sarek" being a bit of a follow-up to "Journey to Babel". I expect a lot of "Voyager"/Borg responses too.
 
The Naked Time was a work of art. Brilliant, with tremendous character development. THe Naked NOw was frivilous fluff, and not very well done at that.
 
The Naked Time was a work of art. Brilliant, with tremendous character development. THe Naked NOw was frivilous fluff, and not very well done at that.

Did watching it damage your enjoyment of the original in some way?

Anyway, a lot of late DS9 Dukat stuff really drags down the character, so much that I can't stop seing a devil worshipping evil maniac when I rewatch his fantastic early appearances.
 
Wes should not have been in Journey's End. I think it would've been better to simply leave us with the assumption that he graduated the academy and became a respectable officer someday. Hell, if you just never watch the ep and then go along to the movies and notice Wes in NEM, you'd be none the wiser. The story with Picard and the Indians was actually pretty interesting to me, watching him grapple with what he had to do as an officer and what he wanted to do as a person with some compassion. It was a good premise ruined by an idiotic character derailment of a story to me.
 
I never thought of Naked Now as a sequel to The Naked Time, just a lame imitation, and the events of that episode had no bearing on what happened in The Naked Time.

Anyway, a lot of late DS9 Dukat stuff really drags down the character, so much that I can't stop seing a devil worshipping evil maniac when I rewatch his fantastic early appearances.
I was going to say that the whole Prophets thing and Sisko as Emissary was retroactively ruined for me by the Jesus Sisko and the Pah-wraiths thing in season 7... and that's not even getting into what it did to Dukat's character. But then I realized that the thread is supposed to be about episodes and plots that ruined a character or storyline from a previous series... Otherwise, I suppose that there would be far too many candidates.

"Mirror, Mirror" was one of my favorite TOS episodes, but the Mirror Universe episodes on DS9 made me wish it had never been introduced in Trek.

This surprises me. Those are actually some of the follow-up episodes I did like, along with TNG's "Sarek" being a bit of a follow-up to "Journey to Babel".
It might have been OK if they stopped right after Crossover, but they continued and made the MU sillier and sillier each time. It soon became nothing but an excuse to have the cast dress funny and overact, and to have some girl-on-girl action for the horny straight male demographic. And don't get me started on the idiocy of the "evil" characters being gay or bi, as opposed to their good PU counterparts who are heterosexual... :rolleyes:
 
Yeah, he was annoying on TNG sometimes too, but at least on that show his character made some progress. He went from being a whiny, anti-social brat to a son who could at least bond with his father through his creativity and love for adventure and fun. On DS9, he was just a wuss who was an embarrassment to Worf and from his first appearance on that show to his last, he never developed into anything more. If they were going to bring him back, they should have at least done something interesting with him.
 
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