James Cameron's "Avatar" (grading and discussion)
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That's because it wasn't original. You've got the working definition right there.
Read the reviews and see how almost everyone compares it to 2001, for one. Moon being derivative of a lot of classic science fiction was exactly the reason so many loved it.
I'm not saying this is a bad thing, either. I loved Moon. But you mention the basic plot outline and show the trailer to most people familiar with sci-fi, and they'll say, "so the other Sam is a clone, right?"
I'm not saying this is a bad thing, either. I loved Moon. But you mention the basic plot outline and show the trailer to most people familiar with sci-fi, and they'll say, "so the other Sam is a clone, right?"
Exactly. This is as original and unpredictable as stranding some tourists at a motel with a soft-spoken desk clerk and an unseen crazed killer.
And I never had a blueberry bagel before the first time I had one.
People have. They're just not carving it into bite-sized chunks.
You've just cast your assertion in such simplistic and circumscribed terms - "give me the name of a movie that 'Moon' copies in exact story detail so that I can shoot the comparison down" - that you believed it couldn't be disputed.
I notice we have a topic here in this forum in which the overt similarities and familiarity of "Moon" has been hashed out for a while now - you can find your answers there as well, and in some detail.
That you may not have seen the antecedents cited, or noticed the similarity, or are determined to stick to a substantially untenable position regarding the movie's "originality" does not bear on the fact that everything about Moon was familiar - story, setting, incident. Doesn't mean it wasn't a good movie.
You've just cast your assertion in such simplistic and circumscribed terms - "give me the name of a movie that 'Moon' copies in exact story detail so that I can shoot the comparison down" - that you believed it couldn't be disputed.
I notice we have a topic here in this forum in which the overt similarities and familiarity of "Moon" has been hashed out for a while now - you can find your answers there as well, and in some detail.
That you may not have seen the antecedents cited, or noticed the similarity, or are determined to stick to a substantially untenable position regarding the movie's "originality" does not bear on the fact that everything about Moon was familiar - story, setting, incident. Doesn't mean it wasn't a good movie.
The most she's gotten is 2001, which the film does homage with its use of GERTY, but that's not as quite a one-to-one connection as, say, Avatar and Dances With Wolves.
I can't think of a film which does essentially Moon's story, actually (that is: guy is cloned repeatedly to work at an isolated place for a corporation), although I'm sure there's a short story or novel somewhere. Even the 'people are cloned for organ harvesting' story is a trifle more popular.
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You can take it or leave it or pretend that you're successfully defending a point, but you're wrong that Moon was a film with an original plot or story - particularly silly to try to defend that assertion while at the same time admitting that you found the turns of events predictable. "I didn't notice" is not an argument.
You can take it or leave it or pretend that you're successfully defending a point, but you're wrong that Moon was a film with an original plot or story - particularly silly to try to defend that assertion while at the same time admitting that you found the turns of events predictable. "I didn't notice" is not an argument.
You can take it or leave it or pretend that you're successfully defending a point, but you're wrong that Moon was a film with an original plot or story - particularly silly to try to defend that assertion while at the same time admitting that you found the turns of events predictable. "I didn't notice" is not an argument.
Predictable is not the same as a retelling. You know that. You can't answer can you?
I read that thread and posted several times in it. Still there aren't any Dances With Wolves analogies, which would be nice.
It's more stuff like this:
Which makes Moon rather an assembly line of sci-fi elements put together in a different way (unless one wants to argue the story is basically the same as Solaris in the same way Dances With Wolves and Avatar have basically the same story - which would be absurd) so it's understandable why some people might misconstrue that as original, when compared to the rather more formulaic concept behind Avatar.
...unless there is this hypothetical story of which I vaguely asked about, then all bets are off. Is there?
Can we limit the discussion of "Moon" here?
Many (including myself) have not seen it yet! (Although I will rent it this week)
Many (including myself) have not seen it yet! (Although I will rent it this week)
It's a good rental.
Now officially going to see Avatar again tonight! Introducing some friends who haven't seen it, yet!
I've only seen it once but I think I want to see it again. This time in IMAX 3-D.
I think I'll go back this weekend with a friend.
