What you did or didn't like about NEM....

[Joel_Kirk]

HAHAHAHAHAHA....

Oh, this was during a time where Star Trek as a whole was dead or dying, depending on your point of view.

Likes:

*The battle between the Scimitar and the ENT-E....

*Geordi now has contacts rather than the hair 'thingy' to see....

*The Jerry Goldsmith score; listen to it, even if you haven't seen the film. It's pretty cool...

*Commander Donatra, who should have had longer hair and a suit reminiscent of the Romulan Commander from 'The Enterprise Incident'....which would have, obviously, got more points from me....

Dislikes:

*That Picard was suddenly bald when he was young, where we look at Tapestry, and dude has hair...! (You don't even need to be a fan of Trek to know that. Just do some research)...

*Why they--Data, Worf, and Picard--had to go on the planet (I forget the name) meet some aliens we'll never see for the rest of the film, ride around in a buggy, and pick up a clone of Data....i.e. B-4.

Which brings me to:

*B-4

*Trying to make Data's death emotional....where there was no emotion...

*The behind-the-scenes where we learn the director thought Geordi was an alien, and didn't really know much about Star Trek when he took on the job.

*That the writers were trying to make another Wrath of Khan, and brought upon the Wrath of Fans for not doing anything snazzy...

 

[Orac Zen]

Likes:

• the score, which even by Jerry Goldsmith's standards is superb.
• the movie ends.

Dislikes: Rather than reiterate them yet again, I'll just link to my post here. Throw in Shinzon's utterly ridiculous "motive" (the Romulans made me to do bad stuff so I've gotta kill the humans in general and Picard in particular - really, there aren't any words for how damned stupid that is) as well. It really is one of the worst movies I've ever seen.

 

[Xerxes1979]

Likes: Valdore class Warbird


Dislikes: Everything else

 

[DonIago]

Like - Unlike GEN, there's no stock footage.

Dislike - Unlike GEN, stock footage might have been an improvement.

 

[docrice]

The Remans lost. The Scimitar was large, Shinzon seemed more competent as a battle commander, yet Picard saves the day with his out-thinking the other side by ramming the ship head-on. I

 

[docrice]

The Remans lost. Shinzon was a better battle commander, the Scimitar was huge, but Picard saves the day by out-thinking the other side and ramming the ship head-on. Shouldn't there have been more explosions?

I vented this out on my own site: http://www.trekannoyances.com/nagging_on_nemesis/

To sum up: "Star Trek, where the villains in the most powerful ship who have never lost a battle can never win because the script says so."

But overall I enjoyed the movie.

 

[TheMurph]

For me it's all sorts of things that add up to it being a crap movie. There are some good points to it, but not enough to mention.

 

[TheKeeper]

While I think the rabid hatred of the movie is overdone, NEM was deeply troubled. Nothing less than a massive rewrite could have saved it, but I believe it was salvageable. Sack B4 and the Remans entirely, sack the psychic rape shout-out to the "Violations" episode, sack the sad attempts to evoke TWOK and even Star Wars. While we're at it, can we have a TNG movie that isn't just the Picard and Data Show? Shinzon had potential, as did the essential themes, but it was pissed away on Data's cretin clone, dune buggy races, stormtrooper and TIE fighter battles inside the ship.

 

[Danny99]

I think the problems with NEM began when TPTB hired Stuart Baird and John Logan. If they wanted NEM to appeal to a wider audience, I can get on board with that. But they jerked the wheel so hard that the fanbase rejected it.

Frakes had directed the last two outings, both of which were well directed and the better than Generations. Both FC and INS had been written by Trek veterans and were received well.

 

[Corran Horn]

I don't like the story. I don't think it made a lot of sense. Why did Shinzon want to destroy Earth?

The scenery extension effects aboard the Scimitar looked like garbage.

Picard bald at the Academy?

They also used real LCD screens instead of whatever they used in the previous movies and TV shows and it looks like crap. The show looked better, for pete's sake!

 

[I am not Spock]

Likes:

The soundtrack
The nebula space battle between the Scimitar and Enterprise
Dina Meyer

Dislikes:
Worf suddenly being back in Starfleet with no explanation
Ditto Wesley
Why isn't Miles Edward O'Brien at Riker's wedding?
Picard having a slaphead as a cadet (watch Tapestry, Logan!)
Romulan Ale being illegal again
B4
Tom Hardy doesn't really look a lot like Patrick Stewart.
The fact that the Romulans get sidelined in what should have been their big screen shining moment

 

[MaxPower]

nstead of repeating everything everyone has said I will just say this, this is the only Star Trek movie that I was hoping or wishing for it to end. I think I looked at my cell phone two times during the movie to check the time.

 

[GalaxyX]

Data dies. Period. B4 inadequate replacement. FAIL!!

Shinzon looks zero like Picard except he's bald. And he acts like a whiny kid. FAIL.

 

[knine]

Dislikes:
Worf suddenly being back in Starfleet with no explanation
Ditto Wesley

I really don't see why this is an issue. Things happen while the camera is not on. We didn't need an explanation as to why Chekov was on the Reliant, and we didn't need one for this.

That said, I still think the movie was pretty bad.

 

[DonIago]

Chekov was presumably on Reliant because it involved a promotion for him.

Why Worf would go from the Federation Ambassador to the Klingon Empire to a Starfleet Commander again...that's a lot to not-show.

As for Wesley, I'd assume he could be pretty much anywhere that he wanted to be.

 

[knine]

Why Worf would go from the Federation Ambassador to the Klingon Empire to a Starfleet Commander again...that's a lot to not-show.

And really didn't matter to the already thin plot.

Honestly, when Worf became an Ambassador on DS9, I said to myself.... he won't last long in that job. And I was right.

 

[DonIago]

Apparently it did matter to numerous viewers of the film, given how frequently it's brought up as a grievance.

 

[Basil]

For me it's all sorts of things that add up to it being a crap movie. There are some good points to it, but not enough to mention.

It seemed like a typical GEN film, which is to say like a typical two-part GEN television episode with better cinematography. The only real problem I had with it then was that the story was tedious and made less sense than some of its predecessors, to the degree that I actually found myself thinking about the flaws while watching the movie . . . bald 20-something Picard doesn't actually discombobulate me because look at all the young guys walking around right now with their heads shaved so they look like penises (who will regret it when they get older and wrinkly from so much sun and actually start to lose their hair). Some of the aesthetic choices were silly to me, like the dress uniforms that made folks look like waiters on a Carnival Cruise ship.

 

[RyuRoots]

The baseline I use for "absolutely horrible" when it comes to movies is Starship Troopers. That's the 0 out of 10 when it comes to movies in my mind. Nemesis isn't THAT bad in that it does have some really good moments and is entertaining if you don't look too carefully. But if you do, it's riddled with issues, not the least of which is the sub-par writing, direction, and performance of our main villain. He was in no way able to really stand toe-to-toe with the TNG regulars either as Tom Hardy the actor or Shinzon the villain.

The movie also has some glaring plot holes. Just to name a few. Some minor and some not so minor:

-The Scimitar. The Sovereign (AFAIK) in 2379 was the UFP's latest and greatest, and we're left to assume that about the Romulans and the Valdore. That they are outdone to such a ridiculous degree by a ship built completely by slaves strains credulity at best.

-Shinzon wants to destroy Earth...why? To further the agenda of the government and race he passionately hates?

-At the end, Shinzon suddenly doesn't care if he dies as long as he destroys the Ent-E's crew. Again, why? For no reason other than having a temper tantrum of not winning hard enough, he just...doesn't care if he has Picard's blood or not.

-Romulan ale is illegal. What happened to the embargo being lifted as of Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges. For that matter, what happened to...

-Relationship of UFP with the Romulans. In DS9, they fought a war together. I'm not saying that means they'd be all buddy-buddy the instant the Dominion War ended, but it's hard to imagine that relations would COMPLETELY revert to how they were in the TNG TV series, which seems to be the case going by NEM.

-Bassen Rift. WHY? Why would anyone knowingly go into this place when they know that A) they are being pursued by an effectively invisible ship, B) that reinforcements are very well out of range still, and C) that the rift disrupts long-range communication. Although Data and Picard apparently just FORGOT about C) there, which is one of the most facepalm-worthy moments in the ST movie series.

-Picard was a bald cadet now. As has been said, someone on the NEM team never saw Tapestry.

And...the list goes on and on, really. But it looks and sounds nice, so it's an entertaining ride if you turn off your brain, but only if, sadly.

 

[GalaxyClass1701]

Likes the Film in gereral I thought it was the best of the TNG films and way better than Inserection I thought that was the weaskest film. Much better than wiping out Romulas and Vulcan for no reason and lanching KIrk out of the ship instead of the brig!

I loved the new warbird and the battle scene tops anything in any other Trek film.

Dislikes:

The B4 story could have been left out.