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"Moon" - what was all the fuss about?

The atmosphere is a key element, also. I'm surprised nobody brought up Clint Mansell's hauntingly excellent soundtrack (I've been playing "Welcome to Lunar Industries" over and over, maybe I'll go listen to it again now).

having dense characters stretch out what is blindingly obvious to the audience.
It's more of a human reaction. Sure, the obvious conclusion is in the back of the Sam Rockwell's character's mind when they first meet, but it is a rather absurd one. If you were suddenly presented with another you, how would you react?

I recall having a bit of the same reaction the first time I saw it, last summer. But it's important to remember--and I noticed it more keenly after I watched it tonight--the entirety of the Sam on Sam action takes place in a twenty-four hour period or less.

Given the time constraints, I think they figured everything out pretty quickly. They certainly got more done than I did today.

although the interiors felt blocky and even somewhat retro.
The retro feel is intentional; it's sort of an homage to Silent Running and such (just as GERTY resembles a certain computer A.I. we all know and love). I found that pretty cool, but then, I like Silent Running.[/quote]

I will say that it scared the crap out of me when some reviewers compared Moon to Silent Running, and I went and watched Silent Running. Different strokes for different folks, I guess, but my God, I don't think I've ever seen a movie that bored me more.:lol:

It is similar, though. However, 1)Sam is actually a likeable character, unlike Ra's al-Ghul there; 2)Sam is not really alone, so there's character interaction; and 3)GERTY is much more interesting than the dumb (in both senses of the word) bots from SR.

That attitude does partly inform the film as it plays with some sci-fi conventions with a degree of wry humour; GERTY is the inversion of HAL, which is why he has both HAL's eye and a smiley face (and so on).
GERTY is wonderful. I really liked Jones and Parker's take on its AI--well-spoken but somewhat impassive, sometimes to the point of being kind of stupid, but capable of feeling, compassion and a conscience. The development of GERTY's fledgling morality, and his sacrifice at the end, is as interesting in its own fashion as Sam's interaction with Sam.

As for what else Mr. Roman's missing, or at least what else I thought was fuss-worthy about Moon--

The subtleties of the Sam/Sam scenes are the real meat of the film. Rockwell doesn't play one character, he plays two--effectively identical twins with very different life experiences. The older Sam is a much different character than the younger Sam, and their interplay is fascinating.

The atmosphere has been mentioned. It's true that it's tremendously effective. The Mansell score is fantastic as usual. Jones' direction is also some of the best I've seen since, well, a Kubrick film.

Regarding the plot, not every plot needs a twist. Moon's a tragedy--one man, or rather two men who discover their lives are lies, and how they react to that revelation. The twist, if there is one, is that Sam's a clone. It just happens to come in the first twenty minutes. The film is, in part, a struggle to permit the Sams to use the tiny fraction of a human lifespan they've been given to enjoy a real life. It's tragic because even if they did manage to escape, that's not going to happen.

Their utmost desires are to go home--but it becomes clear to the older Sam, eventually, that he doesn't have one. His wife's dead--and of course, she was never really his wife in the first place. The real Sam Bell is still alive.

The older Sam recognizes that more than the younger Sam. The younger Sam is motivated more out of a sense of fairness--which is why he is ready to stay for the three years in order to carry out their ruse, and let old Sam "go home." Old Sam, by contrast, realizes the futility--and this is, I think, part of why he changes young Sam's plan, and sacrifices himself. Another part of that decision is the moral choice the older Sam makes, to refrain from taking the life of a third clone so that he and the younger Sam can live. (The last part, of course, is that it's not very sensible for the man whose organs appear to be liquefying to go home just so he can die a few days later.)

So there's a lot of depth to the plot, with the overriding theme of what man does in the face of certain, soon death, and pointless existence in the meantime. At least that was my take on it. It's certainly not just Sam Bell standing around for two hours talking to himself (ala Silent Running :p ).

In short, Moon was the best film to come out in 2008 (as technically it did). It was the best film of, hell, the past ten years, and probably the next ten years. The last movie to come out as good as Moon was probably The Truman Show.

Interestingly, they're both sort of stories about isolation and abandoning that isolation to face the frightening prospect of a world they had no stake in. Moon had more menace to it, however--unlike the Truman Show, it didn't obviously require the character to make a difficult choice about the safety of the world they thought they knew, and the wonders and dangers of the real world. But then, Moon's premise permitted Sam, when faced with the analogous choice, to take both options--old Sam bowed to futility, while young Sam carried on the struggle, and did so--perhaps this a little overapt--in his name.

On a minor note, I could see someone saying this about District 9. D9 is good, but I wasn't awed. It wasn't stupid, but neither was it particularly brilliant.

Certainly, it was no Moon. (And neither was Avatar! Okay, Pandora was a moon. But a Moon that doesn't have Sam Rockwell on it isn't nearly as interesting, even if it does have flying waterfalls and blue furries.)

P.S.: Mentioning that Moon has clones in it is not a spoiler. It's the premise of the film. It's like complaining that someone revealed that Bruce Wayne becomes Batman in Batman Begins, or that Jesus dies in the Passion of the Christ, or that the aliens are hostile in Independence Day.
 
Somehow I managed to not have any inkling what the plot was whatsoever so it was pretty cool to see a movie that blind so I can understand frustration at spoilers. Then again, I'd never come in a thread like this one and expect not to be spoiled.
 
I will say that it scared the crap out of me when some reviewers compared Moon to Silent Running, and I went and watched Silent Running. Different strokes for different folks, I guess, but my God, I don't think I've ever seen a movie that bored me more.:lol:

Moon is a much better movie than Silent Running, but I still like Silent Running, so there. Force me to make a shortlist of the ten best 1970s sci-fi flicks and I'm sure Silent Running would make the cut.

It is similar, though. However, 1)Sam is actually a likeable character, unlike Ra's al-Ghul there;
Wait, what?

I'm just curious but I have no idea what that means. Bruce Dern didn't play that character in Batman Begins; Liam Neeson did, and ideologically he doesn't seem to have much in common (he wasn't big on saving the plants, that is). Is that an aspect of the character in the comic?


P.S.: Mentioning that Moon has clones in it is not a spoiler. It's the premise of the film.
Oh no, it's a spoiler. I had no idea there would be clones when I went into the movie, I just knew it was some sort of hard sci-fi movie set on the Moon (duh) that got good buzz at some point. You probably shouldn't know a lot more than that, I'd think.

It's not a big spoiler, though.
 
Well, I do overstate the case. I knew it going in--but I could see someone being pleasantly surprised by young Sam's appearance.

I don't think I'd ever go see a film knowing so little about it, though.
 
All I need is a good rotten tomato score, some pretentious buzz, and an interesting premise/talent.

Sometimes not even that. *shrug* All I knew about Thirst is that it was the vampire movie by the Old Boy guy and the tomatometer was respectable, for example. White Ribbon? The new Haneke film that got good reactions at Cannes!

I'm a review whore, what I can I say?
 
It's called letting yourself be surprised.

IMO, one of the points of exposing yourself to anything new.
 
I will say that it scared the crap out of me when some reviewers compared Moon to Silent Running, and I went and watched Silent Running. Different strokes for different folks, I guess, but my God, I don't think I've ever seen a movie that bored me more.:lol:

Moon is a much better movie than Silent Running, but I still like Silent Running, so there. Force me to make a shortlist of the ten best 1970s sci-fi flicks and I'm sure Silent Running would make the cut.

Could be I'm the weird (well, lowbrow) one--I hated Tarkovsky's Solaris, too. Five minutes of driving through Moscow?:scream: Only movie I can recall just turning off and never turning back on. I did finish Silent Running.

It is similar, though. However, 1)Sam is actually a likeable character, unlike Ra's al-Ghul there;
Wait, what?

I'm just curious but I have no idea what that means. Bruce Dern didn't play that character in Batman Begins; Liam Neeson did, and ideologically he doesn't seem to have much in common (he wasn't big on saving the plants, that is). Is that an aspect of the character in the comic?
The comic Ra's al-Ghul is big into reducing the human population to a much more manageable size. I was actually really disappointed that this wasn't translated into the film. Or Ra's al-Ghul's immortality, for that matter. Heck, I was just disappointed in Batman Begins in general.


P.S.: Mentioning that Moon has clones in it is not a spoiler. It's the premise of the film.
Oh no, it's a spoiler. I had no idea there would be clones when I went into the movie, I just knew it was some sort of hard sci-fi movie set on the Moon (duh) that got good buzz at some point. You probably shouldn't know a lot more than that, I'd think.

I mean, the buzz is what got me interested in Moon, but I found out rather quickly that there were clones. Then again, I spoil myself pretty rotten. I've never been one to be bothered by the revelation of plot twists--it's how the story executes that interests me. Which is apparently odd, and relegates me to the jerk who reveals major plot points in conversation. :(
 
Myasischev: I was aware of everything you describe as I was watching the film. I just didn't find it particularly interesting or original. This sort of existential identity issues has been done plenty of times (doesn't every sci-fi franchise have an episode or more where characters meet their own duplicates?), and I didn't think "Moon" brought any new perspective on the issue. No, not every movie needs a twist, but I do think this film needed something more than just the bare bones, linear plot we got. A movie described to me as 'intelligent' (which is the chatter it has), I expect to be clever, which typically means doing something I didn't expect. I was wondering if there had been some layer of the film I'd failed to notice that would cast the film in a new paradigm, but I guess not. We'll just chalk it up to subjectivity.

Re: the clones; I intended this to be a discussion about the film, including anything hidden, so the thread was always going to be spoilery (I did mention the clones in my original post). I'm sorry stonester1 if that wasn't evident; perhaps a moderator would be so kind as to add a spoiler tag to the thread title? Thanks.

That said, it's not much of a spoiler. You should figure it out quite soon, and the film confirms it shortly after. As has been said, it's really not a twist, or not much of one at any rate. I didn't know about it going in (I thought it was a psychological thriller, as I've said, and in those cases avoid learning too much about the story to avoid ruining it; a film like Avatar, it doesn't matter if the commercials telegraph the whole plot because that's not the film's raison-d'être, unlike a psy-thriller or a who-dunnit), but knowing wouldn't have changed anything... if anything, it might have made the hopes raised by the intrigue of the first fifteen minutes not come crashing down so hard due the subsequent lack of suspense or surprise.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
 
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I can't think of many sci-fi films off the top of my head involving twists that I'd consider intelligent, interestingly enough. The first twist film that comes to mind is Empire Strikes Back, but it's not one of the first films to occur when discussing smart sci-fi (not that it isn't an excellent space opera film and the smartest of the Star Wars flicks, mind.)

I don't know, I've never considered intelligent = M. Night Shyalaman (before all his other movies). It's more dealing with something smartly, which I believe Moon does.

The same applies to originality, which is typically not a strong point of sci-fi films. 2001 and Blade Runner are the two films most frequently cited as the best sci-fi flicks ever, and both are based (loosely, it must be said) on literary sources.

Could be I'm the weird (well, lowbrow) one--I hated Tarkovsky's Solaris, too. Five minutes of driving through Moscow?:scream:
Disliking Silent Running I can get, but Tarkovsky's Solaris? This is a cardinal sin.

Truth be told I was expecting something a bit more like Solaris, only with less happening and no plot. I probably would have liked that well enough, but I downright loved Moon. The film has verve and charm, it's just a damn fun movie in addition to being well-made.
 
Well made and for once treating the audience to something worth discussing. Moon and District 9 were the best sci fi movies for years. By that measure, we were totally spoilt last year.
 
I liked Moon a lot, but I must admit being slightly dissapointed by it. In part this is because it was overhyped, but also so much of the media and film reviewers indicated that there was a big mystery around the arrival of the second Sam, so I was expecting something more than generic clone plot #2.

To be fair some of these problems come down to my own preconceptions going into the film, but I think it was annoying that it was made out to be a more mysterious film than it was. I don't mind if there isn't a mystery and the character work alone makes it a good film, but I dislike being misinformed before hand.

I still think the funniest bit is where they say the rescue team is on the way, then show you the scariest bunch of space mercenaries you've ever seen! Way to relax him! :lol:
 
There was no hype in the UK. There was no publicity whatsoever. The only reason I knew the film existed was this messageboard. Consequently I never had the opportunity to see it at the cinema.
 
Well I read numerous reviews before it came out and was well aware it was coming for several months so I don't know how you missed it.
 
There were no TV adverts or posters. There weren't even any trails before other movies.
 
To me it was perfect. I love uneventful sci-fi movies where all the focus is on the atmosphere, and the loneliness and isolation of the main character.

Silent Running has all the same problems that the OP finds with this one, outside of the main thrust of the situation, nothing really happens that is unexpected. It's really all about the atmosphere, and the main character.
 
I didn't feel the plot was overly complicated. As a matter of fact, I thought it was fairly simple and basic, and the so-called "twist," if it was truly intended as one, was incredibly predictable.

It didn't matter to me, though. It was told with such grace, and in the end it was the experience of Sam realizing the truth of it all and his experience trying to get back in touch with his family that moved me most. When I discovered my intuition about the "twist" was correct, I was slightly disappointed, but the film's grace carried me past and above it rather quickly.
 
I though it was intelligent and visually pleasing, but I can also somewhat get on board for the idea that it was a little overblown by people desperate for some Science Fiction with an IQ higher than the director's shoe size.
 
I couldn't watch this movie without thinking of all the older, better movies it was ripping o...err, homaging. I was sitting there thinking "Man, the sets look awfully like 2001, they've even got an octagonal corridor and a computer with a creepy child molester voice, the plot is awfully similar to Solaris, the three-year lifespan thing is from Blade Runner, hey, weren't those Purina dog chow logos all over the place in Alien too?"

It wasn't a bad movie, but I felt like I'd seen it all before. :rolleyes:

I can see that--I felt the same way about District 9 as well and yet I wasn't bothered. Don't get me wrong, neither film was terribly original (though Moon was the more original of the two) and neither film was an earth shattering paradigm shifter but they were both real SF films in a market flooded with brainless blockbusters like Transformers 2 and, love it though I do, Star Trek.
 
I think it's fair to say the cloning was, at most, intended to be a minor plot twist, but it's not like 'sixth sense' where the whole film hinges on you not figuring it out until the reveal. I saw 'Moon' with just a general sense of it being a low budget, non-action sci-fi and didn't twig to the cloning bit until the second Sam found the earlier copy. It would hardly have "spoilt" the film if I had known in advance, but it was an interesting development that I didn't see coming and it moved the story forward, which is fine and good. Films don't NEED a twist to make them clever, engaging and worthwhile. In fact, plot twists have a tendency to be used as "get out of jail free cards" to cover for bad story telling. Aliens that are allergic to water springs to mind.

Moon was a character and performance driven story and it deserves to be praised. I've little patience for people that complain a film is "over hyped" because that usually just means they've been spending too much time online reading about it.

As for comparing Moon to District 9 & Avatar; I liked them all. Moon is a nice character piece and a bit of an affectionate throwback to the likes of Alien, Silent Running & 2001 while still being it's own thing. District 9 was something fresh and new that took an old premise (aliens arrive on earth) and did something new (they landed in South Africa and live in shanty towns) and shot it in a semi-documentary style.
Avatar on the other hand was an action adventure film with a heart and a message that just happened to take place in a sci-fi setting and in allot of ways was the exact opposite of District 9. It was still a great film and was lots of not entierly mindless fun, which is more than you can say for most action adventure blockbusters. On top of all that, it wasn't even a summer "tent pole."
 
I've watched it twice now, and I saw all the science fiction films released this year, and compared to nearly everything, it's leaps and bounds better. It's a quiet and subtle film with great acting and. I literally couldn't look away the entire time. Is it my favorite movie of the year? No. Is it in my top 10? No. it's good though.
 
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