U.S.S. Kelvin Pictures or Diagrams

[James Wright]

Are there any diagrams of the U.S.S. Kelvin like those that appeared in Star Trek The Magazine of starships, the fold out diagrams?
I can't find any pictures of this ship either that show details of the dorsal section between the engineering hull and the primary hull.
Can someone help me out?
Thanks!

James

 

[The Wormhole]

I don't think any exist. Abrams and Cohorts were more concerned with subverting registry numbers consistency Roddenberry's rules for starship design than trying to make sense of the ship.

Even the layout in the movie doesn't make sense. Captain Robau's turbolift reaches the bottom when he takes it directly from the bridge to the shuttlebay, even though the shuttlebay is in fact above the bridge.

 

[Timo]

All turboshafts tend to go up and down, sideways, and through fancy loops to get from A to B. They have to get past corridors, for one thing, and that probably usually means going over or under them. I don't see a problem with that.

And if anything, the Kelvin was better thought out than 90% of Star Trek ships - perfect for the story needs, in terms of firepower and configuration. Pretty as a piglet to boot.

As for diagrams, I don't think there are any official threeways or fiveways yet. This side image from Bernd Schneider's site seems to show the neck in reasonable detail, though. For further info, you could go through the screencaps from the opening scenes of the movie, as there's some extreme closeup work of that very area visible there...

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/schematics/kelvin.jpg (cut and paste)

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Dukhat]

I don't think any exist. Abrams and Cohorts were more concerned with subverting registry numbers consistency Roddenberry's rules for starship design than trying to make sense of the ship

Enough already.

 

[Sector 7]

I don't think any exist. Abrams and Cohorts were more concerned with subverting registry numbers consistency Roddenberry's rules for starship design than trying to make sense of the ship

Enough already.

+001 I have some OCD, but this is beyond that. NX-01, 'nuff said.

The USS Kelvin is named for JJ Abrams grandfather. The registry 0514 is his grandfather's birthday, May 14. He is the one who encouraged JJ to make films and follow his dream. What a wonderful tribute!

 

[Kemaiku]

I don't think any exist. Abrams and Cohorts were more concerned with subverting registry numbers consistency Roddenberry's rules for starship design than trying to make sense of the ship.

Even the layout in the movie doesn't make sense. Captain Robau's turbolift reaches the bottom when he takes it directly from the bridge to the shuttlebay, even though the shuttlebay is in fact above the bridge.

I know, less than a few minutes in they can't even get 'up' and 'down' right.

 

[thew40]

Wouldn't it make sense that if he's the bridge of an area right outside the bridge, that the turbolift would drop down, then go back, then up?

 

[Dukhat]

I don't think any exist. Abrams and Cohorts were more concerned with subverting registry numbers consistency Roddenberry's rules for starship design than trying to make sense of the ship.

Even the layout in the movie doesn't make sense. Captain Robau's turbolift reaches the bottom when he takes it directly from the bridge to the shuttlebay, even though the shuttlebay is in fact above the bridge.

I know, less than a few minutes in they can't even get 'up' and 'down' right.

And did this insignificant complaint ruin the rest of the movie for you?

 

[Kemaiku]

I don't think any exist. Abrams and Cohorts were more concerned with subverting registry numbers consistency Roddenberry's rules for starship design than trying to make sense of the ship.

Even the layout in the movie doesn't make sense. Captain Robau's turbolift reaches the bottom when he takes it directly from the bridge to the shuttlebay, even though the shuttlebay is in fact above the bridge.

I know, less than a few minutes in they can't even get 'up' and 'down' right.

And did this insignificant complaint ruin the rest of the movie for you?

Nope, the fact that it was only the beginning of a long line of similar problems did though.

 

[Misfit Toy]

I know, less than a few minutes in they can't even get 'up' and 'down' right.

And did this insignificant complaint ruin the rest of the movie for you?

Nope, the fact that it was only the beginning of a long line of similar problems did though.

Which are more appropriately discussed in another forum.

 

[The Wormhole]

I don't think any exist. Abrams and Cohorts were more concerned with subverting registry numbers consistency Roddenberry's rules for starship design than trying to make sense of the ship

Enough already.

+001 I have some OCD, but this is beyond that. NX-01, 'nuff said.

The USS Kelvin is named for JJ Abrams grandfather. The registry 0514 is his grandfather's birthday, May 14. He is the one who encouraged JJ to make films and follow his dream. What a wonderful tribute!

That still doesn't explain the zero. They could have made the registry NCC-514 and it would still be a tribute to Grampa and adhere to canon.

 

[Kemaiku]

Especially since the Saladin Class "USS Rahman NCC-514" was listed in the same source material they happily plundered for other ideas during the films production.

 

[DonIago]

Hey, does anyone remember when this thread was on-topic?

 

[James Wright]

Thanks for explaining why the zero was added to the Kelvins; registry !


James

 

[The Wormhole]

Hey, does anyone remember when this thread was on-topic?

It still is. We're still discussing the Kelvin.

 

[James Wright]

I looked on Memory Alpha for the designer of Kelvin but no mention was made, does anybody know who designed the Kelvin and the other ships seen in the movie?
Were actual models built or were they CGI?
Hey Timo thanks for the link to the image of the Kelvin!


James

 

[Gepard]

I looked on Memory Alpha for the designer of Kelvin but no mention was made, does anybody know who designed the Kelvin and the other ships seen in the movie?

They were designed by Ryan Church. John Eaves did some work on the shuttles and the Riverside shipyards.

Were actual models built or were they CGI?

They were all CGI. The Star Trek: Art of the Film book has some information on all of this.

 

[Sector 7]

Enough already.

+001 I have some OCD, but this is beyond that. NX-01, 'nuff said.

The USS Kelvin is named for JJ Abrams grandfather. The registry 0514 is his grandfather's birthday, May 14. He is the one who encouraged JJ to make films and follow his dream. What a wonderful tribute!

That still doesn't explain the zero. They could have made the registry NCC-514 and it would still be a tribute to Grampa and adhere to canon.

See the first sentence of mine which you quoted. It explains the logic you have refused to accept and interject into almost every thread. NX-01 set the precedent and Abrams and company chose to follow that example with NCC-0514. It is very plain and very simple. You do not like it... we got it the first 50 posts or so. It has become boring now. [yawn]

 

[James Wright]

i can't be sure about thia but I think when it was decided what the Kelvins' registry would be they added the zero so as not to use a number already in use, I think the U.S. Navy has the the same custom today!

James

 

[The Wormhole]

+001 I have some OCD, but this is beyond that. NX-01, 'nuff said.

The USS Kelvin is named for JJ Abrams grandfather. The registry 0514 is his grandfather's birthday, May 14. He is the one who encouraged JJ to make films and follow his dream. What a wonderful tribute!

That still doesn't explain the zero. They could have made the registry NCC-514 and it would still be a tribute to Grampa and adhere to canon.

See the first sentence of mine which you quoted. It explains the logic you have refused to accept and interject into almost every thread. NX-01 set the precedent and Abrams and company chose to follow that example with NCC-0514. It is very plain and very simple. You do not like it... we got it the first 50 posts or so. It has become boring now. [yawn]

Yes, the zero has been used in two digit numbers, but not in higher ones. And plenty of three digit registry numbers exist, USS Grissom NCC-638, and there was also one in the Epsilon IX comm chatter in TMP. A number which started with 5 in fact.

For these reason I see no reason why we couldn't have NCC-514 instead of NCC-0514.

Besides, had I been in authority over Enterprise, its registry would have been NX-1, but that's beside the point...