Chuck -3x03 -"Chuck vs. the Angel de la Muer"-Discuss/Grade <SPOILERS>
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She's in her early 60's, and was born in March of 1949.
She's in her early 60's, and was born in March of 1949.
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Thing is, there's no way they'd kill off Devon in the show while the character is still in the middle of an ongoing series of car adverts that are probably meant to go throughout the upcoming Winter Olympics...It would create a creepy sort of dissonance rather than interest in the car!
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Ah now that's more like it. Didn't care for the Sunday double header, but this is back to the old Chuck magic. It helps to take the focus off the show's weak points - the strained, contrived sexual tenstion between Chuck and Sarah* and BuyMore - and focus on its strengths, namely that Zach Levi has a couple of very able fellow castmembers in Ryan McPartlin and Adam Baldwin, who can match him for comic antics.
Some great stuff - Chuck trying to intimidate Awesome with his big bad spy routine (sorry Chuck, Jack Bauer you are not). "Good thing I'm a marine."
Here's hoping they keep up this level of quality and hang onto the audience they got with their Sunday tryout.
I don't know why they bothered to bring Morgan back this season. Awesome fills the "wacky best friend" role much better, and it's cleverer to give this role to a GQ-model-looking doc who shouldn't outwardly be the "wacky" type at all. They should scale back all the BuyMore stuff except for occasional appearances by Jeffster.
"Seriously, is there any reason why they can't have sex? Can't get married? Can't have a dozen rugrats running underfoot? Why would it destroy the characters or their chemistry is whatever it is the writers are scared of? It can't possibly be worse than turning their relationship into the single most unwelcome aspect of this show.
Ah now that's more like it. Didn't care for the Sunday double header, but this is back to the old Chuck magic. It helps to take the focus off the show's weak points - the strained, contrived sexual tenstion between Chuck and Sarah* and BuyMore - and focus on its strengths, namely that Zach Levi has a couple of very able fellow castmembers in Ryan McPartlin and Adam Baldwin, who can match him for comic antics.
Some great stuff - Chuck trying to intimidate Awesome with his big bad spy routine (sorry Chuck, Jack Bauer you are not). "Good thing I'm a marine."
Here's hoping they keep up this level of quality and hang onto the audience they got with their Sunday tryout. I don't know why they bothered to bring Morgan back this season. Awesome fills the "wacky best friend" role much better, and it's cleverer to give this role to a GQ-model-looking doc who shouldn't outwardly be the "wacky" type at all. They should scale back all the BuyMore stuff except for occasional appearances by Jeffster.
"Seriously, is there any reason why they can't have sex? Can't get married? Can't have a dozen rugrats running underfoot? Why would it destroy the characters or their chemistry is whatever it is the writers are scared of? It can't possibly be worse than turning their relationship into the single most unwelcome aspect of this show.
Re: Chuck -3x03 -"Chuck vs. the Angel de la Muer"-Discuss/Grade <SPOIL
^^Well do NOT read this!
That just about gave me heart failure. I was thinking,
^^Well do NOT read this!
That just about gave me heart failure. I was thinking,
what is this, Dexter? You can't pull shit like that! Way way way too real.
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Thank you for spoiler coding it.
^^Well do NOT read this!
Thank you for spoiler coding it.
Re: Chuck -3x03 -"Chuck vs. the Angel de la Muer"-Discuss/Grade <SPOIL
Sad now.
For a second there I read that as 'Sarah is necking with Chloe Sullivan,' and I got all excited.I'm sure you don't want to know that Chuck has dumped Sarah for good and moved in with Emmett!
On other topics...Sarah is neck and neck with Chloe Sullivan! Seriously, it's tied up exactly 50/50! Vote!!!
Sad now.
Re: Chuck -3x03 -"Chuck vs. the Angel de la Muer"-Discuss/Grade <SPOIL
His corpse?
I'm sure you don't want to know that Chuck has dumped Sarah for good and moved in with Emmett!
His corpse?
Re: Chuck -3x03 -"Chuck vs. the Angel de la Muer"-Discuss/Grade <SPOIL
Well, for one, I think that the trust that Sarah and Chuck had for each other has been rocked quite a bit. Remember, Chuck had almost completely lost his trust for Sarah before she proved to him that she was willing to go AWOL for him -- which I think is why Sarah was so angry that Chuck wasn't willing to go AWOL for her.
Of course, the difference there is that Sarah went AWOL for Chuck because the NSA/CIA were about to imprison him without his having committed any crimes, whereas no one was out to violate Sarah's rights when she asked Chuck to go AWOL for her. But Sarah got so caught up in her longing for a normal life that she wasn't appreciating that Chuck was going through a fundamental re-evaluation of his life's direction as a result of suddenly finding himself free of both the Buy More and the government.
But, yeah, given that, I can see where there's now a lot of work that both of them have to do to rebuild their trust in one-another. I'm not normally a fan of dragging out Unresolved Sexual Tension, but in this instance, I think that it's an organic outgrowth of what I think realistically-written characters would be going through.
And, besides all that -- do you really think the NSA/CIA are going to allow Chuck and Sarah to be together? Remember, the NSA/CIA aren't necessarily the good guys all the time. They conspired to commit murder against Chuck and then to imprison him in violation of the United States Constitution. It's like Jill said in "Chuck Versus the First Kill" -- "NSA, CIA, Fulcrum. They're all basically the same, aren't they?" I seriously doubt they would tolerate such a disruption in their level of control over both agents.
He gave Emmett the biggest compliment he possibly could:
"Well worth the dig."
Well, for one, I think that the trust that Sarah and Chuck had for each other has been rocked quite a bit. Remember, Chuck had almost completely lost his trust for Sarah before she proved to him that she was willing to go AWOL for him -- which I think is why Sarah was so angry that Chuck wasn't willing to go AWOL for her.
Of course, the difference there is that Sarah went AWOL for Chuck because the NSA/CIA were about to imprison him without his having committed any crimes, whereas no one was out to violate Sarah's rights when she asked Chuck to go AWOL for her. But Sarah got so caught up in her longing for a normal life that she wasn't appreciating that Chuck was going through a fundamental re-evaluation of his life's direction as a result of suddenly finding himself free of both the Buy More and the government.
But, yeah, given that, I can see where there's now a lot of work that both of them have to do to rebuild their trust in one-another. I'm not normally a fan of dragging out Unresolved Sexual Tension, but in this instance, I think that it's an organic outgrowth of what I think realistically-written characters would be going through.
And, besides all that -- do you really think the NSA/CIA are going to allow Chuck and Sarah to be together? Remember, the NSA/CIA aren't necessarily the good guys all the time. They conspired to commit murder against Chuck and then to imprison him in violation of the United States Constitution. It's like Jill said in "Chuck Versus the First Kill" -- "NSA, CIA, Fulcrum. They're all basically the same, aren't they?" I seriously doubt they would tolerate such a disruption in their level of control over both agents.
I'm sure you don't want to know that Chuck has dumped Sarah for good and moved in with Emmett!
His corpse?
He gave Emmett the biggest compliment he possibly could:
"Well worth the dig."
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I never knew she was into that sort of thing.
I'm sure you don't want to know that Chuck has dumped Sarah for good and moved in with Emmett!
I never knew she was into that sort of thing.
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Captain Awesome can be a fun character to play with, but I'd like to see Ellie have more to do than just be Captain Awesome's wife and Chuck's sister. And I'd like to see Morgan more, too.
(Minor complaints, this early into the season, though!)
Captain Awesome can be a fun character to play with, but I'd like to see Ellie have more to do than just be Captain Awesome's wife and Chuck's sister. And I'd like to see Morgan more, too.
(Minor complaints, this early into the season, though!)
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Actually, allowing them their relationship, would give them MORE control over them. Not being able to be in a relationship is one very good reason they might just disappear on your ass.
The CIA and stuff and rules? They're more about compromising or outright breaking rules and laws than upholding them. If the two are in a relationship gives them great control over the two, they'll allow it. They never cared much for Sarah and Bryce dalliance either.
Actually, allowing them their relationship, would give them MORE control over them. Not being able to be in a relationship is one very good reason they might just disappear on your ass.
The CIA and stuff and rules? They're more about compromising or outright breaking rules and laws than upholding them. If the two are in a relationship gives them great control over the two, they'll allow it. They never cared much for Sarah and Bryce dalliance either.
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True to a point, but there again, they have another problem if they let Sarah and Chuck openly get together: If that happens, then that means Sarah is now an agent with a primary loyalty other than to the CIA: To Chuck. Remember, the CIA doesn't know that Sarah went AWOL for Chuck -- Casey covered for her. As far as they know, she cares about him, but they don't know that her feelings are strong, too, nor do they know that she wanted the both of them to go AWOL.
So while General Beckman probably considers the possibility of Sarah developing deeper feelings for Chuck and going AWOL with him to be a risk, I doubt that she understands that it's already happened. From her perspective, Sarah's first loyalty is to the CIA, and she would never allow Sarah to have a loyalty to Chuck that outweighs her loyalty to the CIA. Which is why I don't think she would ever let them get together.
I don't know if it's clear that CIA leadership even knew about Sarah and Bryce.
True to a point, but there again, they have another problem if they let Sarah and Chuck openly get together: If that happens, then that means Sarah is now an agent with a primary loyalty other than to the CIA: To Chuck. Remember, the CIA doesn't know that Sarah went AWOL for Chuck -- Casey covered for her. As far as they know, she cares about him, but they don't know that her feelings are strong, too, nor do they know that she wanted the both of them to go AWOL.
So while General Beckman probably considers the possibility of Sarah developing deeper feelings for Chuck and going AWOL with him to be a risk, I doubt that she understands that it's already happened. From her perspective, Sarah's first loyalty is to the CIA, and she would never allow Sarah to have a loyalty to Chuck that outweighs her loyalty to the CIA. Which is why I don't think she would ever let them get together.
I don't know if it's clear that CIA leadership even knew about Sarah and Bryce.
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This episode felt like Chuck again.. the season starter was boring for long stretches and didn't flow quite well.
I love it how they improved Chuck.. not that he's now Chuck 2.0 but how he gained self confidence as opposed to season 1 where he was the damsel in distress most of the time.
What i don't like is the Sarah/Chuck reset button.. come on, even though such a step ruined many shows (Moonlighting for example if anyone remembers that show) it doesn't have to be like that on Chuck.. just write it well and it will work.
Anyway.. dam, that ending got me at first. After the sudden demise of Emmet (and that was a real shocker) i was scared for a bit until i remembered that Awesome is just too awesome to be killed off like that.
So.. good episode and looking forward to the next.
P.S.
After seeing Awesome almost naked i'd definitely support him for Captain America.. he's got the all american face and the body for it (if Will Smith can look like Muhammad Ali then Partlin can muscle up too)
This episode felt like Chuck again.. the season starter was boring for long stretches and didn't flow quite well.
I love it how they improved Chuck.. not that he's now Chuck 2.0 but how he gained self confidence as opposed to season 1 where he was the damsel in distress most of the time.
What i don't like is the Sarah/Chuck reset button.. come on, even though such a step ruined many shows (Moonlighting for example if anyone remembers that show) it doesn't have to be like that on Chuck.. just write it well and it will work.
Anyway.. dam, that ending got me at first. After the sudden demise of Emmet (and that was a real shocker) i was scared for a bit until i remembered that Awesome is just too awesome to be killed off like that.
So.. good episode and looking forward to the next.
P.S.
After seeing Awesome almost naked i'd definitely support him for Captain America.. he's got the all american face and the body for it (if Will Smith can look like Muhammad Ali then Partlin can muscle up too)
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Re: Chuck -3x03 -"Chuck vs. the Angel de la Muer"-Discuss/Grade <SPOIL
I think that they are, frankly. The first part of that was re-establishing their sense of professional trust -- the arch in "Chuck Versus the Pink Slip," where Sarah goes from being convinced that Chuck's going to screw up any operation he's involved with to saying to him, in Mexico, as they need to zip-line off of the roof, "I trust you."
"Chuck Versus the Three Words" was essentially about Sarah being forced to confront the fact that Chuck did not refuse to run away with her because his feelings for her had changed or because he didn't want to be with her, as she had apparently talked herself into thinking. So that lays the groundwork in establishing that Chuck did not intentionally hurt her or emotionally withdraw from her.
One of the most interesting lines in "Chuck Versus the Angel de la Muer" was towards the very end. Chuck and Sarah, discussing their cover (but in reality discussing themselves at that point) are discussing whether they're going to be friends or not. Sarah pauses. "So what do friends do?"
I think that's interesting, because, really, Chuck and Sarah haven't developed a basis for their relationship outside of Unresolved Longing and spy stuff. They haven't really established a solid basis of what they have in common, what they like to do, how they relate to each other other than as professional partners or potential lovers. While they care about each other, they haven't established a real friendship upon which they can build a real relationship. So I think that that will make Season Three an interesting thing to watch.
Now, having said that, I'll be disappointed if the Season Three finale comes and Chuck and Sarah haven't finally hooked up. The writers should spend the rest of this season developing a better basis of the Chuck/Sarah relationship, and the characters should hook up by the finale. If they don't, then I'll agree that it's an unnatural development. I think that the current situation makes sense and is a natural outgrowth of their characters, but I think that if they aren't together once they've put this behind them, it won't seem like a natural outgrowth of their character arcs at all.
I don't watch Heroes and don't give a shit what they're doing over there.
Again, the CIA and NSA in this series are a great deal more sinister than their real counterparts. Seems to me that they deliberately recruited Sarah because she was a young woman who was alienated from society, had no family once her father was in jail, and had no real loyalties or direction. They took her in because they knew that they could make themselves her primary loyalty. I don't think they like the idea of agents having loyalties to anything other than the government in this series.
I think that they are, frankly. The first part of that was re-establishing their sense of professional trust -- the arch in "Chuck Versus the Pink Slip," where Sarah goes from being convinced that Chuck's going to screw up any operation he's involved with to saying to him, in Mexico, as they need to zip-line off of the roof, "I trust you."
"Chuck Versus the Three Words" was essentially about Sarah being forced to confront the fact that Chuck did not refuse to run away with her because his feelings for her had changed or because he didn't want to be with her, as she had apparently talked herself into thinking. So that lays the groundwork in establishing that Chuck did not intentionally hurt her or emotionally withdraw from her.
One of the most interesting lines in "Chuck Versus the Angel de la Muer" was towards the very end. Chuck and Sarah, discussing their cover (but in reality discussing themselves at that point) are discussing whether they're going to be friends or not. Sarah pauses. "So what do friends do?"
I think that's interesting, because, really, Chuck and Sarah haven't developed a basis for their relationship outside of Unresolved Longing and spy stuff. They haven't really established a solid basis of what they have in common, what they like to do, how they relate to each other other than as professional partners or potential lovers. While they care about each other, they haven't established a real friendship upon which they can build a real relationship. So I think that that will make Season Three an interesting thing to watch.
Now, having said that, I'll be disappointed if the Season Three finale comes and Chuck and Sarah haven't finally hooked up. The writers should spend the rest of this season developing a better basis of the Chuck/Sarah relationship, and the characters should hook up by the finale. If they don't, then I'll agree that it's an unnatural development. I think that the current situation makes sense and is a natural outgrowth of their characters, but I think that if they aren't together once they've put this behind them, it won't seem like a natural outgrowth of their character arcs at all.
I don't watch Heroes and don't give a shit what they're doing over there.
Again, the CIA and NSA in this series are a great deal more sinister than their real counterparts. Seems to me that they deliberately recruited Sarah because she was a young woman who was alienated from society, had no family once her father was in jail, and had no real loyalties or direction. They took her in because they knew that they could make themselves her primary loyalty. I don't think they like the idea of agents having loyalties to anything other than the government in this series.
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The CIA and the NSA also vary vary rarely do intelligence work in the United States.
Anyway, this was a good episode. I still think the season opener was terrible, but the next two episodes have been top notch Chuck.
The CIA and the NSA also vary vary rarely do intelligence work in the United States.
Anyway, this was a good episode. I still think the season opener was terrible, but the next two episodes have been top notch Chuck.