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SPIDER-MAN 4 officially delayed - Update: Raimi/Maguire out, reboot in

Re: SPIDER-MAN 4 officially delayed - Update: Raimi/Maguire out, reboo

There's plenty of BAD stuff in Spiderman 3 that does not relate to Venom. So I don't think Sam Raimi should be up on the pedestal of worship where so many seem to want to put him. I was never very impressed with his SM films.

I think Sony made the right decision... Rumors floated around that SM4 would have Peter becoming a farther, and other questionable ideas.

The best thing would be for the franchise to take a rest, though. But apparently Sony have to get a film done fast or the rights will return to Marvel.
 
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From Screenrant:

A couple of days ago Drew McWeeny of HitFix reported that he spoke with Kick-Ass director Matthew Vaughn, who stated that he is “desperate” to direct a Spider-Man movie. While not on the short list above, we’ve gotten word that while there are higher-ups at Sony that want Webb for the reasons mentioned above, there is also a group who wants Vaughn for the reboot due to how well Kick-Ass has been testing and because that film also deals with teens. Remember that Marvel initially wanted Vaughn to direct Thor, so he’s already on their radar and they obviously have confidence in him already. We don’t know whether Webb or Vaughn will win out, but there would be no convincing required by Sony to get Vaughn to come on board – so Vaughn would be a slam dunk.
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Of course the fact that Vaughn walked away from both X-Men 3 and Thor might work against him.
 
Re: SPIDER-MAN 4 officially delayed - Update: Raimi/Maguire out, reboo

If I stood to make all that money, I'd be desperate to direct a Spidey movie too...
 
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Wow, I hope Matthew Vaughan gets it.

I've been evangelizing him since I saw Stardust, and he walked away from X3 because he thought the script sucked.

I was pretty blown away by how well-done and more importantly how self-assured his directing on Stardust was. Felt like a really good veteran filmmaker.

Usually I know a good director is directing a movie going in. Stardust I didn't, and halfway through I made a mental note to myself "I have to find out who directed this movie" which I never do, it was just well done.

Kick-Ass looks great, and he's a guy who won't stick around on a comic project if he thinks it sucks and is a big enough comic book fan to sniff it out, X3 proved that.

Basically Matthew has been my choice for the Superman reboot for months now.
 
Re: SPIDER-MAN 4 officially delayed - Update: Raimi/Maguire out, reboo

Eww. No, please. That would be such a nimrod move on Sony's part.
 
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Hyperspace05 said:
There's plenty of BAD stuff in Spiderman 3 that does not relate to Venom.
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I agree. I went into that film completely cold, not having followed any of the production news. I thought the worst part about it was the Sandman plot. That's what felt tacked on to me, and a cheat with how it changed the first film.
 
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I grew tired of Raimi's incessant habit to make all his villains sympathetic and redeemable at the end. Venom was actually kind of a nice change of pace since he was just downright nasty from start to finish. I guess Green Goblin wasn't that sympathetic (or redeemable... he tried to kill Spider-Man before inadvertently killing himself) but the lame excuse that the A.I. was controlling Doc Ock was exactly that... lame.
 
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I just feel this reboot is going to be a total disaster
 
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JacksonArcher said:
I grew tired of Raimi's incessant habit to make all his villains sympathetic and redeemable at the end. Venom was actually kind of a nice change of pace since he was just downright nasty from start to finish. I guess Green Goblin wasn't that sympathetic (or redeemable... he tried to kill Spider-Man before inadvertently killing himself) but the lame excuse that the A.I. was controlling Doc Ock was exactly that... lame.
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I think it still ties into the whole lesson of power & responsability.

Besides, the "revenge for killing my wife" thing would have been even worse.
 
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exodus said:
I think it still ties into the whole lesson of power & responsability.
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Uhmm... what does?

Besides, the "revenge for killing my wife" thing would have been even worse.
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Yet the tentacles controlling him is better? I dunno. It makes him a sort of hollow character in the end since a majority of the film he's acting not by his own accord.
 
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JacksonArcher said:
exodus said:
I think it still ties into the whole lesson of power & responsability.
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Uhmm... what does?

Besides, the "revenge for killing my wife" thing would have been even worse.
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Yet the tentacles controlling him is better? I dunno. It makes him a sort of hollow character in the end since a majority of the film he's acting not by his own accord.
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He told Peter in the film "Genius is a gift that should be used to the betterment of mankind." However, when the tenticles took over he changed to "The power of the sun, in the palm of my hand." Him redeeming himself at the end went back to his first quote and because he had the power he had the responsability to save mankind. He did that by sinking his creation in himself in the river.

He wasn't acting on his own accord, the arms were his power and controlling him. They were using him for his own selfish means. His project had failed but he couldn't accept that. They wouldn't allow him because that's all they were programmed to do. They wanted to finish the project by any means. Had he been in his right mind, the death of his wife and the fact the project was distructive would have made him scrap it because that would be an act of responsability. Proving he was still in charge.

All of that plays back into what Spidey/Peters problem was, believing in yourself and not letting outside influences lead you astray.
 
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exodus said:
He told Peter in the film "Genius is a gift that should be used to the betterment of mankind." However, when the tenticles took over he changed to "The power of the sun, in the palm of my hand." Him redeeming himself at the end went back to his first quote and because he had the power he had the responsability to save mankind. He did that by sinking his creation in himself in the river.
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That idea wasn't really well developed, though. We have one scene between Octavius & Peter at the beginning and we're suppose to believe there's any type of relationship there? It falls flat. Doc Ock was a kind of one-dimensional villain with very little depth or substance. Since the tentacles were controlling him, for a majority of the film we have no idea what his thoughts are or what he feels. Plus, his mission was very substandard and unoriginal. Once again, New York City is threatened by immediate destruction.

He wasn't acting on his own accord, the arms were his power and controlling him. They were using him for his own selfish means.
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Which is almost exactly what I had said. ;)

His project had failed but he couldn't accept that. They wouldn't allow him because that's all they were programmed to do. They wanted to finish the project by any means. Had he been in his right mind, the death of his wife and the fact the project was distructive would have made him scrap it because that would be an act of responsability. Proving he was still in charge.
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I dunno. I think a man distraught by the death of his wife and the failure of his experiment would have been compelling had Raimi and his writers explored that. Instead, it went on underdeveloped.

All of that plays back into what Spidey/Peters problem was, believing in yourself and not letting outside influences lead you astray.
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Actually, Peter's turmoil and angst in Spider-Man 2 was very internally driven. He wanted his own life, and he was fed up being a hero. It was all very selfish. There weren't any "outside influences" leading him astray. It's even hinted that the reason why his powers intermediately stopped working was because of the stress and innate desire to stop being Spider-Man.
 
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JacksonArcher said:
exodus said:
He told Peter in the film "Genius is a gift that should be used to the betterment of mankind." However, when the tenticles took over he changed to "The power of the sun, in the palm of my hand." Him redeeming himself at the end went back to his first quote and because he had the power he had the responsability to save mankind. He did that by sinking his creation in himself in the river.
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That idea wasn't really well developed, though. We have one scene between Octavius & Peter at the beginning and we're suppose to believe there's any type of relationship there? It falls flat. Doc Ock was a kind of one-dimensional villain with very little depth or substance. Since the tentacles were controlling him, for a majority of the film we have no idea what his thoughts are or what he feels. Plus, his mission was very substandard and unoriginal. Once again, New York City is threatened by immediate destruction.

He wasn't acting on his own accord, the arms were his power and controlling him. They were using him for his own selfish means.
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Which is almost exactly what I had said. ;)

His project had failed but he couldn't accept that. They wouldn't allow him because that's all they were programmed to do. They wanted to finish the project by any means. Had he been in his right mind, the death of his wife and the fact the project was distructive would have made him scrap it because that would be an act of responsability. Proving he was still in charge.
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I dunno. I think a man distraught by the death of his wife and the failure of his experiment would have been compelling had Raimi and his writers explored that. Instead, it went on underdeveloped.

All of that plays back into what Spidey/Peters problem was, believing in yourself and not letting outside influences lead you astray.
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Actually, Peter's turmoil and angst in Spider-Man 2 was very internally driven. He wanted his own life, and he was fed up being a hero. It was all very selfish. There weren't any "outside influences" leading him astray. It's even hinted that the reason why his powers intermediately stopped working was because of the stress and innate desire to stop being Spider-Man.
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Mary Jane w/ another man, his run down apt., him barely making money. All of that were outside influences that were bring down his confidence.

I don't know, I found the story very well developed.
Until now, I never known anybody disappointed by it.
I guess in hindsight, anything can be picked apart w/ the ideas of it could be better.
 
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exodus said:
Because he didn't think he could be Spidey & be with Mary Jane too.
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Which is still an internal problem. He isn't sure whether or not he can juggle the conflicting natures of his own life. He just wants to be Peter Parker and live a normal life, until he realizes that people depend on him and he can't stop being selfish anymore.

I don't know, I found the story very well developed.
Until now, I never known anybody disappointed by it.
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I know some people were disappointed by it, namely The Borgified Corpse and I believe Emh, who dislikes all the Spider-Man movies if memory serves me correctly.
 
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^^I used to have a friend that would go out of his way to hate anything popular because he thought it made him unique. Eventually he started to get on everybody's nerves until he had almost no friends and even themn he found a way to twist that around in his favor too.

So generally speaking, I think some hate because it's true while others do it because they wanna stand out. So I take that stuff with grain of salt.
 
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Peter Parker and Doc Ock both have to find the inner strength to set aside selfish goals and do the right thing. Doc Ock's tentacles are like a reverse Jiminy Cricket, whispering dark things in his ear and urging him to give into his basest impulses.
 
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exodus said:
^^I used to have a friend that would go out of his way to hate anything popular because he thought it made him unique. Eventually he started to get on everybody's nerves until he had almost no friends and even themn he found a way to twist that around in his favor too.

So generally speaking, I think some hate because it's true while others do it because they wanna stand out. So I take that stuff with grain of salt.
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Wow, what a wonderful thing to say. Especially after I just explained to you my problems with the film. :wtf:

I can vouch for both The Borgified Corpse and Emh, by the way. They're good people, with smart opinions.

Out Of My Vulcan Mind said:
Peter Parker and Doc Ock both have to find the inner strength to set aside selfish goals and do the right thing. Doc Ock's tentacles are like a reverse Jiminy Cricket, whispering dark things in his ear and urging him to give into his basest impulses.
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Yet Doc Dock was being controlled the entire time, so was it his selfish goals or were they that of the tentacles'?
 
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