Will there ever be any novels set between 2161 and 2254?

[BrotherBenny]

My take is simple.

Thrawn, you got the win for your interpretation. To the max.

April, I'm not even going to say anything.

As for the original question, I have no idea what will happen once the Romulan War is over and the Enterprise NX01 is decommissioned, since I believe that is canon. Perhaps we'll get stories based on where the characters go from there. Maybe Tucker will get to command his own ship. Maybe the Enterprise will be gutted to the spaceframe and get an 18 month refit, who knows.

 

[Paris]

Another book that touches on this particular lost era, I'm not sure if it's been mentioned already (too lazy to look through all the posts again), would Martin & Mangels Forged in Fire. There is some time spent in the early 2200's on Qo'Nos, as well as some time in 2240's with Sulu as a child with his parents on another planet.

just sayin...

 

[Rush Limborg]

^Agreed. Thrawn's argument was well thoughtout. I never really thought of the movie as saying "get over it" about the whole post 9/11 cultural obsession in the west with terrorists/terrorism, but after reading Thrawn's post and thinking about the movie again, that's exactly what I see. Thanks Thrawn .

Frankly, I saw it as the exact opposite.

Nero is, for all intents and purposes, a terrorist.

"Running to the rest of the fleet" vs. the Enterprise crew fighting the Narada by itself could be interpereted as "Should we wait for the world community to be on board with us on the War On Terror, or should we take charge and do it ourselves, as time is running out before the next attack (or whatever)?"

(Let the rotten tomatoes come. I have a poncho, and am therefore ready.)

 

[Rush Limborg]

Another book that touches on this particular lost era, I'm not sure if it's been mentioned already (too lazy to look through all the posts again), would Martin & Mangels Forged in Fire. There is some time spent in the early 2200's on Qo'Nos, as well as some time in 2240's with Sulu as a child with his parents on another planet.

just sayin...

Dang good read. Kept me awake many a night. I highly recommend it.

 

[Sci]

^Agreed. Thrawn's argument was well thoughtout. I never really thought of the movie as saying "get over it" about the whole post 9/11 cultural obsession in the west with terrorists/terrorism, but after reading Thrawn's post and thinking about the movie again, that's exactly what I see. Thanks Thrawn .

Frankly, I saw it as the exact opposite.

Nero is, for all intents and purposes, a terrorist.

"Running to the rest of the fleet" vs. the Enterprise crew fighting the Narada by itself could be interpereted as "Should we wait for the world community to be on board with us on the War On Terror, or should we take charge and do it ourselves, as time is running out before the next attack (or whatever)?"

(Let the rotten tomatoes come. I have a poncho, and am therefore ready.)

That's actually not relevant to Thrawn's point, which is that ST09 depicts terrorism as something horrible but not something that should continue to dominate all actions taken by society. Whether this tactic or that tactic ought to be used against terrorism is irrelevant to the point -- which is, terrorism isn't something that should dominate all of society and shouldn't be allowed to keep us from being optimistic.

 

[Rush Limborg]

^Oh, I'm not contesting that, per se. Just...I see Kirk and Co. in the film doing what is necessary to put a stop to the threat. To wit:

Nero: (in full "radical mode") I...would rather suffer the end of Romulus...a thousand times...I would rather die in agony...than accept assistance from you!

Kirk: (smirks) You got it.

(They proceed to blow the Narada to smitherines....)


I have a great deal of optimism--but not the false optimism that hides the danger under a cloak of hunky-dorey.

No, rather the true optimism that, in the end, "No arsenal or no weapon in the arsenals of the world...is so formidable...as the will and moral courage...of free men and women."

(And invited transgendered species. )

 

[Sci]

^Oh, I'm not contesting that, per se. Just...I see Kirk and Co. in the film doing what is necessary to put a stop to the threat. To wit:

Nero: (in full "radical mode") I...would rather suffer the end of Romulus...a thousand times...I would rather die in agony...than accept assistance from you!

Kirk: (smirks) You got it.

(They proceed to blow the Narada to smitherines....)


I have a great deal of optimism--but not the false optimism that hides the danger under a cloak of hunky-dorey.

No, rather the true optimism that, in the end, "No arsenal or no weapon in the arsenals of the world...is so formidable...as the will and moral courage...of free men and women."

(And invited transgendered species. )

Which is, again, besides Thrawn's point.

 

[Rush Limborg]

Uh-huh....

 

[Thrawn]

But, for the record, your analysis of ST09's place in the larger popular culture was quite brilliant, Thrawn!

^Agreed. Thrawn's argument was well thoughtout. I never really thought of the movie as saying "get over it" about the whole post 9/11 cultural obsession in the west with terrorists/terrorism, but after reading Thrawn's post and thinking about the movie again, that's exactly what I see. Thanks Thrawn .

Thrawn, you got the win for your interpretation. To the max.

Thanks

I figured it wouldn't change April's mind at all, but I'm glad it was interesting to others.

 

[Therin of Andor]

shouldn't be allowed to keep us from being optimistic.

Many ST fans have forgotten how to be optimistic about anything!

 

[Paris]

^Which is very ironic, considering who we are .

 

[Ronald Held]

Lots of interesting posts perhaps off topics.
Believability was supposed to be the hallmark(or one of them) in TOS. Is an average movie goer, not a purist such as myself going to accept that Kirk is fated or destined to be in command of the Enterprise under any conditions?

 

[Therin of Andor]

Is an average movie goer, not a purist such as myself going to accept that Kirk is fated or destined to be in command of the Enterprise under any conditions?

Who knows? But the film did huge business and received excellent reviews, so I guess most of the general audience did accept it, or that they enjoyed the rest of the movie enough to let that bit pass them by. And then they told their friends to go see the movie.

For the diehard fans, we've heard Spock say before that commanding a starship was Kirk's "first, best destiny". And it seems that it is: in numerous timelines.

In any case, it's not "under any conditions", because it took Spock Prime's interference to make sure it happened in the JJ timeline.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

Another book that touches on this particular lost era, I'm not sure if it's been mentioned already (too lazy to look through all the posts again), would Martin & Mangels Forged in Fire. There is some time spent in the early 2200's on Qo'Nos, as well as some time in 2240's with Sulu as a child with his parents on another planet.

just sayin...

Also the Errand Of Vengeance and Errand of Fury miniseries had flashbacks to this period in them, I also believe they mentioned what the Constitution-Class's immediate predecessor was.

 

[Paris]

^They do? What class was it?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Lots of interesting posts perhaps off topics.
Believability was supposed to be the hallmark(or one of them) in TOS. Is an average movie goer, not a purist such as myself going to accept that Kirk is fated or destined to be in command of the Enterprise under any conditions?

Since to most people, Kirk and Captain of the Enterprise go together like peanut butter and jelly, I'm gonna say yes.

Believability was hardly a hallmark of TOS. It was structured on a lot of conceits that require a suspension of disbelief. It also used such "dumb" elements as the Captain, First Officer and Second Officer being in a landing party for the simple reason the actors playing those characters were under contract.

While ST09 had some dumb moments, it also used current scientific theory in areas like time travel, parallel worlds and quantum mechanics. I'd rather Trek science keep up rather than be mired in the science of the first half of the last century. If the trade off is Kirk going from cadet to captain so be it.

Speaking of which, calling Kirk a "third year cadet" seems wrong, since Kirk went through the Academy at an accelerated rate (as he predicted) and held the rank of Lieutenant. It possible that he was a fourth year or even a post-grad. (Like Saavik in TWOK)

As for the actual topic. Not quite a yes or no question. Pocket could call tomorrow and ask for a book about Pike, April or Archer's grandson.

 

[seigezunt]

Thrawn, I had to go back and read your post again.

Nice interpretation. Something to chew on.

 

[Procutus]

Another book that touches on this particular lost era, I'm not sure if it's been mentioned already (too lazy to look through all the posts again), would Martin & Mangels Forged in Fire. There is some time spent in the early 2200's on Qo'Nos, as well as some time in 2240's with Sulu as a child with his parents on another planet.

just sayin...

Also the Errand Of Vengeance and Errand of Fury miniseries had flashbacks to this period in them, I also believe they mentioned what the Constitution-Class's immediate predecessor was.

Thanks for that, I haven't read those yet but will have to pick them up at some point.

 

[Steve Roby]

Thrawn's post was insightful and intelligent. April's response didn't engage with a single point in it.

Dayton also made a very good point: the movie was fun. And, yes, the last good Trek movie before it was Galaxy Quest, which I've watched more times than several movies I could name that actually have Star Trek in the title.

As for the question of "Will there ever be any novels set between 2161 and 2254?"... who knows? A few of the writers must have some idea what Jaime Costas has in mind for the Trek books line, but we fans haven't heard anything from her yet.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Thrawn's post was insightful and intelligent. April's response didn't engage with a single point in it.

Dayton also made a very good point: the movie was fun. And, yes, the last good Trek movie before it was Galaxy Quest, which I've watched more times than several movies I could name that actually have Star Trek in the title.

As for the question of "Will there ever be any novels set between 2161 and 2254?"... who knows? A few of the writers must have some idea what Jaime Costas has in mind for the Trek books line, but we fans haven't heard anything from her yet.

Ve haff vays of making her talk. (begging and pleading are ways right?)