Will there ever be any novels set between 2161 and 2254?
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I tend to agree that the Kelvin is already in a different universe than the Prime one. Whether it diverged from the Prime one or always was different from the Prime universe is up for discussion.
So why not just say four years?
TMoST also says that Kirk had commanded a destroyer prior to being given command of the Enterprise, yet so many folks want to leap on the "Enterprise is his first command" bandwagon, to play up the young hotshot angle. Yeah, he was the youngest captain in Starfleet, but he was still a fairly seasoned officer who rose up through the ranks before he got the Enterprise.
One of the reasons that movie is such an insult.
One of the reasons that movie is such an insult.
Should I say unlike the JJ version of Kirk????
Lessee, over ten years rising up through the ranks on various starships, facing all sorts of unknowns, versus being a third year cadet who stows away, gets his ass kicked repeatedly, picks a fight with the senior officer in command, and isnt even the guy who ultimately saves the day (that'd be that same senior officer that he picked the fight with).
Yeah, what's the big difference?
Yeah, what's the big difference?
Lessee, over ten years rising up through the ranks on various starships, facing all sorts of unknowns, versus being a third year cadet who stows away, gets his ass kicked repeatedly, picks a fight with the senior officer in command, and isnt even the guy who ultimately saves the day (that'd be that same senior officer that he picked the fight with).
Yeah, what's the big difference?
For the record, it was Kirk's idea. Spock would've ran to the rest of the fleet, and all that....
Still doesn't qualify him for command of the newest and biggest ship in the fleet. That we're supposed to sit back and accept something that ridiculous probably says more of the writers than the fans, but the fact that so many fans are willing to accept it is equally disturbing.
Oh, yeah, it's disturbing when a fan is willing to just disregard his disbelief for the sake of enjoying a thoroughly entertaining movie.
Yeah, disturbing is the right word.
I'm glad to see that at least a few folks feel the same about this issue, though I must give dues to both Christopher and Sci; they gave very convincing alternate answers to the points that I posed.
With the number of parallel universes that have been established in Trek, I really don't see why it's such a reach to think that this was a separate uni to begin with. After all, Team Abrams was looking for a clean slate upon which to tell stories. Either way, it's all interesting food for thought.
Ummm, if you say so....
Oh, yeah, it's disturbing when a fan is willing to just disregard his disbelief for the sake of enjoying a thoroughly entertaining movie.
Yeah, disturbing is the right word.
You'd better sit down, folks--I AGREE with Sci!!!
It seems impossible, yet there it is. How many "parallel Earths" have we seen throughout TOS--which were clearly an excuse to save on money by using Earth costumes such as Roman togas and so on--and a "New York Street" set--over and over?
"Hodkin's Law of Parallel Planet Developement" indeed.
And yet we accept it.
It's called "suspension of disbelief". Happens on every show.
If they wanted a separate universe and a clean slate, Leonard Nimoy wouldn't be in the movie.
1) Because that's not the way time travel generally works in fiction. The way it works is, you go back into your own history and make changes that branch off an alternate one.
2) Because it's very clearly not what the filmmakers intended. We were told explicitly in the film that Nero created the altered history.
3) Because there's no need for it. Once more, the discrepancies between this movie and what's come before are no greater than the discrepancies that already exist among various different Trek series and films from various different creators. They're differences of interpretation, matters of artistic license. They're differences we gloss over in order to accept the conceit that it's all one reality. If we can do that with the huge continuity errors in TWOK, why not here?
Oh, yeah, it's disturbing when a fan is willing to just disregard his disbelief for the sake of enjoying a thoroughly entertaining movie.
Yeah, disturbing is the right word.
Suspending your disbelief for concepts like a faster-than-light starship is one thing.
Accepting that a third-year cadet can blunder his way into command of that starship isn't suspending your disbelief, it's delusional.
Right. To me, if you remove the visual quality of TOS, going from Enterprise to the Kelvin to the TOS-movie-era Enterprise to TNG, etc, it makes perfect sense. The only problem in the flow is the TOS-TV-era Enterprise, which was made on a tiny budget in the mid 60s. So I don't really get why it's so necessary to say "ALTERNATE TIMELINE!" when you could just say "it would've looked nicer in the 60s if they'd had the money and expertise", and enjoy the goddamn story.
Oh, yeah, it's disturbing when a fan is willing to just disregard his disbelief for the sake of enjoying a thoroughly entertaining movie.
Yeah, disturbing is the right word.
Suspending your disbelief for concepts like a faster-than-light starship is one thing.
Accepting that a third-year cadet can blunder his way into command of that starship isn't suspending your disbelief, it's delusional.
No, it's saying, "Yeah, that's a stupid piece of writing that would never happen in real life, but, what the hell, it puts Captain Kirk back on the bridge of the Enterprise, so I'll just go with it and have fun."
And to people with a sense of what is or is not a proportional reaction, that's not in any way "disturbing" or "delusional." It's liking a movie.
Now, if you don't like it or so strongly disagree with that creative decision that you can't suspend disbelief, that's fine. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. You have every right to say that ST09 is so bad that to call it bullshit is an insult to the bovine feces community.
But you do not get to insult people who have different tastes than you or insinuate that they're somehow dangerous, (which you did when you called people "disturbing") got that? Not without someone else calling you on how rude that is.
^ I continue to agree with essentially every post you make.
I mean, consider Miri, among many many others. A random Earthlike planet presented with literally *no* explanation *whatsoever*? Well, obviously, they just had a set they needed to use. They put it in there for budget reasons. Thus, I suspend disbelief.
I made the same choice watching the movie. "That'd never happen, and they didn't explain it at all. Whatever. Dramatically, it's cleaner, and next movie, he's captain again."
Robert April, you don't have to make the same decision, but I'm in no way a moron blindly following whatever lowest-common-denominator blah blah blah blah. I'm a smart guy that doesn't mind the occasional wildly illogical plot point if it leads to otherwise awesome entertainment.
I mean, consider Miri, among many many others. A random Earthlike planet presented with literally *no* explanation *whatsoever*? Well, obviously, they just had a set they needed to use. They put it in there for budget reasons. Thus, I suspend disbelief.
I made the same choice watching the movie. "That'd never happen, and they didn't explain it at all. Whatever. Dramatically, it's cleaner, and next movie, he's captain again."
Robert April, you don't have to make the same decision, but I'm in no way a moron blindly following whatever lowest-common-denominator blah blah blah blah. I'm a smart guy that doesn't mind the occasional wildly illogical plot point if it leads to otherwise awesome entertainment.
Let me put it another way.
DON'T YOU PEOPLE KNOW WHEN YOU'RE BEING PLAYED FOR SUCKERS!?! They put up a plotline that makes a Mary Sue fanzine story look like Dostoevsky, dress it up with a hundred million dollars worth of flashy CGI, shaky camera moves, and lens flares...just how in the hell is any self-respecting Star Trek fan supposed to just sit back and "enjoy the damn story"?
Once upon a time, thinking was a requirement for enjoying a Star Trek story. Now, it's a detriment.
And it's that so many fans are apparently ready and willing to check their brains at the door that has those of us on this side of the fence scratching our heads, and occasionally trying to knock some sense into otherwise intelligent fans.
DON'T YOU PEOPLE KNOW WHEN YOU'RE BEING PLAYED FOR SUCKERS!?! They put up a plotline that makes a Mary Sue fanzine story look like Dostoevsky, dress it up with a hundred million dollars worth of flashy CGI, shaky camera moves, and lens flares...just how in the hell is any self-respecting Star Trek fan supposed to just sit back and "enjoy the damn story"?
Once upon a time, thinking was a requirement for enjoying a Star Trek story. Now, it's a detriment.
And it's that so many fans are apparently ready and willing to check their brains at the door that has those of us on this side of the fence scratching our heads, and occasionally trying to knock some sense into otherwise intelligent fans.
We now return you to your regularly schedule thread regarding novels set between 2161 and 2254.
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