JJ's Vulcans are all very pink skinned. They didn't even try.
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JJ didn't care about the details that count, like correctly colored sky and star(s), much less the unneeded destruction of Vulcan.
Or a coherent plot.
Kinda off topic now, but no, they don't. The mother's blood forms a 'lake' surrounding the chorionic villi (microscopic fronds growing from the placenta), the baby's blood is in blood vessels in the chorionic villi. In late pregnancy the vessels and the villi have very thin walls - the baby's blood and the mother's are as close as the blood and air in your lungs, but if things go as they should the 2 never actually mix.
Nutrients, wastes and small proteins cross from one blood stream to the other by diffusion.
There are a variety of events that can cause the baby's blood to mix with the mother's: this may be trivial (small amount of blood, during labour, compatible blood types) to serious (severe rhesus incompatibility can lead to fetal death), but the placenta actually 'tries' to keep the mother's and baby's blood close but always seperate.
Was a dust storm that happened to be going on in the soundstage background during "Amok Time" integral to the concept? What's wrong with a blue sky on Vulcan? It has a N2/O2 atmosphere, roughly the same thickness and composition as ours--or maybe not, but even radical notions about Vulcan's atmospheric composition wouldn't make it red. Rayleigh scattering would help ensure a blue sky.
Heck, since it has a higher gravity and atmospheric particulate matter would settle more quickly, the dust that leads to Mie scattering would be even less prevalent. My understanding is that Mie scattering is responsible for red sunsets--not the change of angle at the end of the day. Which is why sunrises aren't usually bloody-looking. I'm open to correction on this.
Anyway, sometimes I think they were trying to go with a Martian theme for Vulcan--Mars doesn't have a red sky either, but it is a lot browner. This is, as I understand it, only because Mars is tiny and doesn't recapture dust as quickly, so there's a greater amount in the air at any one time. Vulcan is bigger than Earth (or at least heavier). We should expect fewer red skies on Vulcan than on Earth.
I might concur on the color of Vulcan's sun, but we see it as yellowish in Star Trek IV and iirc Enterprise.
It's pretty much indistinguishible from the sun.I do like to think that Vulcan's sun is Keid A (40 Eridani A), as Gene Roddenberry said, Enterprise nearly flat-out stated, and like a billion others had proposed in the interim. I infer you do too with the "star(s)" comment. I initially thought that at least C, a red dwarf, would be unimpressive from Vulcan, but apparently both it and the white dwarf C would be very bright, and visible in the daytime. But they wouldn't be visible all the time, and for convenience could be ignored, although they'd be cool to see onscreen.
I'm kind of dubious about Keid A looking orange from Vulcan's surface surface. Just because Keid A peaks in yellow-orange light with a 5300K surface temperature, doesn't mean it would appear orange from the surface of a planet. Our sun peaks in blue-green, but we don't perceive it as blue-green. I also wonder if the lower amount of blue light produced by Keid A would affect the color of the sky, although I don't think it would be enough of a deficit to make the sky radically less blue.
Anyway, in contrast to color, the sun's angular size is easily calculable--and it should look about 50% larger, at about 46 arcminutes, if it's within Keid A's habitable zone. But, really, that's barely noticeable.
Can't dispute the mechanics of this, but the conclusion doesn't seem completely justified. After all, so far we have almost zero evidence of surface vegetation on Vulcan; only TAS has ever shown desert plants in any quantity, and they haven't been of types that would tie down surface sand to an appreciable degree. Vulcan would be less likely to have dust hanging in the air than Mars - but far more likely to have it than Earth, as there would be greater quantities of loose topsoil/sand; more powerful mechanisms for blowing it into the air, due to the vast lengths of desert surface and their almost total lack of windbreaks; more powerful mechanisms for lifting it, as there'd be less atmospheric moisture to condense it and wash it down, and probably greater temperature gradients and better delineated Hadley cells for nice and strong planetary-scale winds; and good chances for the camera to observe it, because unlike Earth, Vulcan doesn't/can't place its major centers of habitation or other points of dramatic interest far away from desert dustbowls...
Timo Saloniemi
This. I never took that scene to be a literal memory and am surprised that some would. It's obviously what Spock's inner psyche would imagine his father would say and symbolizes the root of his pain.
...OTOH, if anybody would be expected to have memories of his birth and early childhood, Vulcans would. They'd have a deep, mystic understanding of their own minds, quite possibly a telepathic connection to their mothers before birth (Betazoids were explicitly said not to have this normally; Vulcans weren't), highly structured and analytical minds with supposedly perfect recollection otherwise, and so forth.
Even if Spock couldn't remember his birth by himself, he could probably do it with the help of Sybok. Vulcans are big on this remembering thing in certain other movies and episodes...
Timo Saloniemi
Even if Spock couldn't remember his birth by himself, he could probably do it with the help of Sybok. Vulcans are big on this remembering thing in certain other movies and episodes...
Timo Saloniemi
Must be some memory if it works in the third-person perspective!
All that plomeek has to grow somewhere.
We didn't, but he did. That is to say, he 'relived' the moment of being in the room with his father... he didn't see his younger self kill the old man. Spock, on the other hand, saw himself being born.
True, and I don't believe it's outright precluded by anything we know that an (alien!) child couldn't fully recall its birth. I bet that would suck, though. "Well, you're comfortable, right, and weightless, and then suddenly the buoyancy is gone and you're stuck in this straining, constricting tube of muscle for about ten hours. You can feel the unfused bonelets of your skull squeeze out of place."
Could be right.
I'd love to know the mechanics of a "sandfire" storm.
I'm still going with the drunken ghost story.
Amok Time had a non blue sky. So does Yesteryear(TAS) and the 4 fourth season episodes of Enterprise.
Since the JJverse did not start out being the Prime universe, maybe that Vulcan is slightly different.
Since the JJverse did not start out being the Prime universe, maybe that Vulcan is slightly different.
I seem to recall a couple of TNG episodes visited Vulcan. How much ya wanna bet the sky was reddish those times, too?
Probably so but I have not looked for any TNG ground screencaps. I will have to do.
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