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Star Trek Online and Countdown Graphic Novel Continuities

There are ways of explaining it away of course, just as Crusher's return to the E-E was played with at the end of Death in Winter, or Captain Picard's "promotion" to Commodore in Before Dishonor.

I agree with Sci and Christopher that it makes little sense for the character [Worf] to join up with the defense forces. I also think most of Countdown would be a letdown over all for the long term continuity we're reading right now... on the other hand, I really liked Countdown and I miss Data. It's a bit of a mixed bag.
 
Then, of course, there's the single biggest reason not to incorporate events from Star Trek Online: The Path to 2409 and Star Trek: Countdown into the Litverse:

They suck.
 
Then, of course, there's the single biggest reason not to incorporate events from Star Trek Online: The Path to 2409 and Star Trek: Countdown into the Litverse:

They suck.

I agree, albeit less vehemently (maybe). What, we're fighting with the Klingons again? Seriously? Is the Star Trek sandbox that small that we have to rehash the same crap over and over? It's a pretty big galaxy--I would hope Pocket Books sidesteps all this crap and lets the authors open up some new frontiers.
 
Then, of course, there's the single biggest reason not to incorporate events from Star Trek Online: The Path to 2409 and Star Trek: Countdown into the Litverse:

They suck.

I agree, albeit less vehemently (maybe). What, we're fighting with the Klingons again? Seriously? Is the Star Trek sandbox that small that we have to rehash the same crap over and over? It's a pretty big galaxy--I would hope Pocket Books sidesteps all this crap and lets the authors open up some new frontiers.

The answer is because it's fun - who wants to fight with some race you've never heard of when you can be blasting klingons. Hand me that level 12 phaser and watch that fucker burn.

What people want out of a game is different from what they want out of a book series and the back story reflects that.
 
^That's right. A game and a prose or comics story have fundamentally different goals. And that's why the books and the game are going to continue going their own separate routes (aside from the one or more books specifically set in the ST:O continuity, which will remain distinct from the other Pocket continuities). The game is aimed at people who want to indulge their Trek role-playing fantasies, and lots of people like pretending to be Klingons while others like the idea of fighting Klingons. The books are more about developing and exploring the Trek universe's characters, cultures, politics, and so on, and in that context there are far more interesting paths to take than regressing the UFP/Klingon relationship to one of conflict. Different goals, different priorities, different continuities. And that's the way it should be. Each medium should do what's best for it.
 
Oh, I agree wholeheartedly about the game. (The comic's another matter....)

But...this begs the question....

Why is Pocket releasing a novel for the bloody thing, anyway?
 
Why is Pocket releasing a novel for the bloody thing, anyway?


Profit? If it follows the pattern of other game tie-ins (depending on how successful the game is), it's likely to outsell the current line.
Yeah, pretty much every MMO these days seems to have at least one novel set in it's universe. They even did a Star Wars Galaxies book.
 
Why is Pocket releasing a novel for the bloody thing, anyway?


Profit? If it follows the pattern of other game tie-ins (depending on how successful the game is), it's likely to outsell the current line.
Yeah, pretty much every MMO these days seems to have at least one novel set in it's universe. They even did a Star Wars Galaxies book.

And World of Warcraft (including one written by KRAD) and Eve Online. They've even contracted with some guy named Robert L. Forward to whip out some books for Age of Conan: Hyborian Adventures. :)

I'm waiting for reviews on STO before deciding if I'm going to play or not. It's got to be fun to play. The back story is secondary. As someone who reads to books I don't like the idea of the Klingons and Federation at war again but for the game I can 100% see why they did that so it's not a big deal to me. I would have loved if the game had followed the books but there's no way that was going to happen so I don't about that.
 
Why is Pocket releasing a novel for the bloody thing, anyway?


Profit? If it follows the pattern of other game tie-ins (depending on how successful the game is), it's likely to outsell the current line.
Yeah, pretty much every MMO these days seems to have at least one novel set in it's universe. They even did a Star Wars Galaxies book.

As well as Force Unleashed. But then...that game already had a storyline (and a dang good, STRONG one, at that!).
 
I'm convinced the whole reason STO is making the Klingons the bad guys is because it has a wider appeal. The general public who knows little about Star Trek know that the Klingons are bad guys, but only the fans know the Klingons have grown up into something more. But they're trying to appeal to the wider audience, which is perfectly fine with me.

I actually have no problem with the game's continuity for the game. Appeal to the general public? Cool. Make the Klingons the bad guys so we can fight against them. Classic. That's all for the sake of gameplay and that's ok, but for pure story I don't prefer this at all. Well, at least, not right now I don't.

Although I like some of the Starfleet uniforms in the game.
 
They've even contracted with some guy named Robert L. Forward to whip out some books for Age of Conan: Hyborian Adventures. :)

Huh? Robert L. Forward died in 2002. And the books based on that game seem to be by various authors including Loren L. Coleman and J. Steven York. Are you attempting a joking reference to Robert E. Howard, the man who created Conan in pulp magazines?
 
They've even contracted with some guy named Robert L. Forward to whip out some books for Age of Conan: Hyborian Adventures. :)

Huh? Robert L. Forward died in 2002. And the books based on that game seem to be by various authors including Loren L. Coleman and J. Steven York. Are you attempting a joking reference to Robert E. Howard, the man who created Conan in pulp magazines?

Crap, that's what I get for typing before rushing to work. Yeah, I meant Robert E. Howard. Another joke shot to hell...
 
Wow. Lots going on here. I insert my semi-coherent thoughts thusly:

About Worf in the KDF: I think it does make sense – a fuss was made in one of the pre-Destiny TNG novels that Worf will never be allowed to command a Federation starship, owing to that mission he failed in DS9 to save his wife. Thus I could see him joining the KDF to gain a command of his own once he felt he had achieved all he could/wanted to in Starfleet. Although the Klingon fleet is far more militaristic than Starfleet, there’s nothing to say what sort of missions he was flying before the whole Hobus/Romulus/Nero/Space Octopus thing happened. Surely not every Klingon mission is about killing and smashing?

About the Klingons’ actions in STO and Countdown: It seems that Countdown and Star Trek Online are both influenced strongly by the future events of TNG’s “All Good Things”. Watching that again after seeing STXI, I had a weird moment when they explained that the Klingons has annexed Romulan space – for just a second Star Trek seemed like some intricately-planned long-term epic story. It seems to me that it’s their destiny to be at war again – lots of future timelines are pointing that way (I believe Klingons were portrayed as less-than-Federation-friendly in the Voyager finale as well, but it's hazy).
A warrior race like the Klingons (even under ‘benevolent’ Martok) would be idiots not to take advantage of the situation the Hobus disaster presented. If not them, some other power would have moved in and taken over.
What does it mean for all the (mostly unseen) Romulan subject races?

About Data and B-4: Brent Spiner has said at least once (in the Star Trek mag, iirc) that the only reason Data is still dead is because not enough fans went to see Nemesis. In the extras on the Nemesis DVD hints are dropped that Data may return one day. When I saw Data in Countdown I found it amusing that they simply skipped the resurrection and got on with the story proper - after all, dying is that thing sci-fi characters do between episodes.
Does his return cheapen his sacrifice in Nemesis? IMO only if Data believed be would be brought back, which I think he didn’t. He only knew for sure that he would be remembered fondly by his friends. And isn’t that all we can ask for?
Also: The sight in Countdown of the guy who had to fight in court just to prove he was really alive as captain of the Federation’s flagship was somewhat triumphant.
Also, surely it’s not beyond the Federation’s abilities to upgrade B-4’s brain? I mean, in DS9 and Voyager they created sentient holograms on a whim, after dicovering they could do it in TNG.

About the TNG crew breaking up by the time of Countdown: Particularly in the case of Geordi I think this is a good thing. Who wants to stay in the same job for 25 years? How long can the poor guy stare at that big warp engine and stay sane?
In Picard’s case, I can’t see him wanting to raise his child on a spaceship. Him becoming ambassador to Vulcan ties in neatly with not only the TNG finale, but that Picard/Sarek mindmeld episode.
 
About Worf in the KDF: I think it does make sense – a fuss was made in one of the pre-Destiny TNG novels that Worf will never be allowed to command a Federation starship, owing to that mission he failed in DS9 to save his wife. Thus I could see him joining the KDF to gain a command of his own once he felt he had achieved all he could/wanted to in Starfleet.

It's not like there's actually something written down somewhere forbidding Worf from becoming a captain. What he did in "Change of Heart" is a serious blot on his record, to be sure, but other Starfleet captains have comparable or worse things in their histories. Jim Kirk was court-martialed twice, and the second time he was actually guilty, but his actions subsequent to the crime made up for it and let him keep -- or actually resume -- his command. Captain Picard lost a starship under questionable circumstances and went through a harrowing court-martial, but still managed to earn the right to command another starship, the flagship of the fleet, in fact; and then he lost that ship and still got trusted with a third. Kathryn Janeway did all sorts of legally and ethically questionable things in the Delta Quadrant but still got bumped up to admiral. Chakotay's a former member of a criminal organization, but he's captain of Voyager now.

So given Worf's mostly exemplary service as a Federation ambassador and Starfleet first officer in the years since, I really don't think it would be impossible for him to earn a command if that was what he wanted. Especially since the Borg invasion devastated Starfleet and they can't afford to turn away any good candidates.


Although the Klingon fleet is far more militaristic than Starfleet, there’s nothing to say what sort of missions he was flying before the whole Hobus/Romulus/Nero/Space Octopus thing happened. Surely not every Klingon mission is about killing and smashing?

That's beside the point. The point is, it shouldn't be assumed that just because he's genetically Klingon, he's somehow destined to end up in service to the Klingon state, as though his life experience and Starfleet loyalties meant nothing. Race isn't identity.


About the TNG crew breaking up by the time of Countdown: Particularly in the case of Geordi I think this is a good thing. Who wants to stay in the same job for 25 years? How long can the poor guy stare at that big warp engine and stay sane?

If you're in a job you love and excel at, why would you ever leave it? Why should ambition override contentment? My job is writing novels and stories, and I'd be happy to stay in that job for the rest of my life, assuming my financial needs were met.

Besides, Picard has been a starship captain for most of the past 48 years. He's found his niche and has rejected offers to be promoted out of it because it doesn't make sense to put arbitrary career advancement over doing the job you love best and do best.

Although I will say that the idea of Geordi leaving Starfleet to design starships makes more sense than the idea of him leaving engineering to become a Starfleet captain. There's too much tendency to assume that every other job in Starfleet is just a stepping-stone to a captaincy, which doesn't make any sense, since there are always going to be far fewer captaincies than there are officers.


In Picard’s case, I can’t see him wanting to raise his child on a spaceship. Him becoming ambassador to Vulcan ties in neatly with not only the TNG finale, but that Picard/Sarek mindmeld episode.

But why would the Federation need an ambassador to one of its own founding worlds? Does the US have an ambassador to Pennsylvania?
 
^How many times has the UFP been compared to the UN or the EU? (And, of course, all the UN members have ambassadors to that org...)

So now, at long last, it's considered a nation in and of itself....

But even then, it's a federal republic, like the US, but it always seems as if the distinctions between the member worlds are more distinct than that between the states of today. (More like the states before the Civil War, with each state being distinct and all....)

So...all things considered, I wouldn't consider it impossible.
 
But why would the Federation need an ambassador to one of its own founding worlds? Does the US have an ambassador to Pennsylvania?

No shit. But even if that makes sense in-universe, with his experience Picard should be ambassador to one of the non-aligned powers--the Klingons, for example. Another nice way to use Picard would have been to make him a powerful Federation council member--representative from Earth, etc. etc.
 
But why would the Federation need an ambassador to one of its own founding worlds? Does the US have an ambassador to Pennsylvania?

No shit. But even if that makes sense in-universe, with his experience Picard should be ambassador to one of the non-aligned powers--the Klingons, for example. Another nice way to use Picard would have been to make him a powerful Federation council member--representative from Earth, etc. etc.

I agree. I also don't like the idea of the Federation having an ambassador to one of it's core founding members. It makes me feel like the Federation is weak and disjointed.

Besides, if he left the Enterprise it would have to become an influential Admiral, or the head of Starfleet altogether. Come on, the guy has saved the galaxy countless times, outsmarted and out-strategized powerful people, and he's just downright popular with the fans.
 
Besides, if he left the Enterprise it would have to become an influential Admiral, or the head of Starfleet altogether.

I don't think so. Picard has always been a diplomat more than a soldier. I can certainly see him becoming an ambassador. Keep in mind that he did just that in Riker's hallucinatory future in "Future Imperfect." So it's already been established as a possible path for the character.

The other possibility I see is that he'd retire to academia and become an archaeology professor.
 
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