How many of the TNG films do you like?
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I can tolerate First Contact because of the nice music and the character of Lily.
Otherwise, I don't care for it.
The other movies rate somewhere waaay below "Z" (as letter grades go).
Otherwise, I don't care for it.
The other movies rate somewhere waaay below "Z" (as letter grades go).
First Contact was the only TNG movie I liked aside from the Kirk scenes in Generations. FC was the only TNG movie period. The rest were just extended two parters and not good ones at that.
The big problem with adapting TNG to the big screen is that the TNG characters aren't as broad as the Classic Trek characters. Kirk and the others were big screen characters crunched down to the small screen. Picard and the others were small screen characters and didn't translate well to the big. Picard was transformed into Kirk. Data was bad comic relief. Riker, Troi, Crusher and Geordi were walking props. Worf alternated between bad ass and badder comic relief. When it came to iconic characters Classic Trek was halibut and TNG was tuna fish. The big screen requires halibut.
The big problem with adapting TNG to the big screen is that the TNG characters aren't as broad as the Classic Trek characters. Kirk and the others were big screen characters crunched down to the small screen. Picard and the others were small screen characters and didn't translate well to the big. Picard was transformed into Kirk. Data was bad comic relief. Riker, Troi, Crusher and Geordi were walking props. Worf alternated between bad ass and badder comic relief. When it came to iconic characters Classic Trek was halibut and TNG was tuna fish. The big screen requires halibut.
I love Generations and FC. I very much like Insurrection. Nemesis was the worst of the lot, but i cannot say that i hate it. It's....ok with some rather embarrasing moments and of course, the death of Data (which stinks on ice).
The death of Data would have stunk on ice if it had been during the course of the television series. Since it happened in the dreadful movie series we should look at it as a mercy killing. His suffering and ours is finally over.
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"mercy killing"
"mercy killing"
Nemesis is a bad movie, but I can say one good thing about it: it was better than Insurrection. At least Nemesis managed to keep me marginally entertained and could sit through it without almost falling asleep.
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Generations, First Contact and Insurrection
Generations, First Contact and Insurrection
What he said. Nemesis shows up on AMC and is tolerable as background noise if I am working around the house as long as I don't have to actually sit down and watch it.
Might as well just ditto this.
I was excited when I saw Generations in the theaters because it was only a few months after TNG ended, and there was a lot of interest at the time about these characters moving into films like the TOS characters did.
I was even more excited about FC, mainly because of the Borg and a new starship Enterprise. Wasn't so keen about Cochrane and the time-travel story however.
And then...Insurrection. I think the trouble with this movie started because it was one of the first movies where the script was leaked online before the movie came out, and ruined everything (although it's not like it was that great of a movie anyway; this was the only Trek movie I never saw in the theaters). I also think the finished product was not what the writers of the movie intended it to be when they came up with the idea.
Finally, Nemesis. I have a love/hate relationship with this movie for reasons too numerous to mention here, but that I think most people would probably guess on their own.
Now, in retrospect after several years since these movies were made (and half a year after Star Trek '09), I have come to believe that I wish none of the NetxGen movies had ever been made. In retrospect, I don't like how Kirk died. I don't like that the Enterprise-D was destroyed, or how. I don't like the revisionist portrayal of Zefram Cochrane. I don't like how the Borg changed, suddenly got a "queen" and set the stage for their downfall in VOY. I don't like the Enterprise-E. I don't like that the Federation flagship was puttering around at Ba'ku when it should have been on the front lines during the Dominion war. I don't like the Remans. I don't like Shinzon. And I certainly don't like that Data died.
So I guess I don't like any of the movies.
I was even more excited about FC, mainly because of the Borg and a new starship Enterprise. Wasn't so keen about Cochrane and the time-travel story however.
And then...Insurrection. I think the trouble with this movie started because it was one of the first movies where the script was leaked online before the movie came out, and ruined everything (although it's not like it was that great of a movie anyway; this was the only Trek movie I never saw in the theaters). I also think the finished product was not what the writers of the movie intended it to be when they came up with the idea.
Finally, Nemesis. I have a love/hate relationship with this movie for reasons too numerous to mention here, but that I think most people would probably guess on their own.
Now, in retrospect after several years since these movies were made (and half a year after Star Trek '09), I have come to believe that I wish none of the NetxGen movies had ever been made. In retrospect, I don't like how Kirk died. I don't like that the Enterprise-D was destroyed, or how. I don't like the revisionist portrayal of Zefram Cochrane. I don't like how the Borg changed, suddenly got a "queen" and set the stage for their downfall in VOY. I don't like the Enterprise-E. I don't like that the Federation flagship was puttering around at Ba'ku when it should have been on the front lines during the Dominion war. I don't like the Remans. I don't like Shinzon. And I certainly don't like that Data died.
So I guess I don't like any of the movies.
Finally, someone else who doesn't like the way they changed the character of Cochrane! I hated the way the serious, intelligent, sensitive scientist from "Metamorphosis" became a too-old, alcoholic hippy whose only thoughts were for over-loud "music" and making money.
If they could only have made a movie from the novel Federation...
I'll have to go with First Contact.
That's my favourite.
1. First Contact B
2. Generations F
3. Insurrection B
4. Nemesis D
I'm right there with ya.
I agree.
My problem generally with all the next gen movies is the characters seem so different than what they were on the series. And also the fact they descended into primarily Picard and Data vehicles (Riker is so criminally underused in the movies imho). Here are quick thoughts on each film:
Generations: Horrible script, but visually I think it is very interesting (John Alonzo's cinematography in particular). The Kirk-Picard meeting could have been handled in a much more interesting way.
First Contact: Entertaining, looks great and the Borg are still interesting as villains (before Janeway, Chuckles et al started encountering them every other week).
Insurrection: The best two-parter next gen never did. Really this is more of a telefilm writ large. I am probably in the minority though who thought F. Murray Abraham was a good villain and made the most of the material given to him.
Nemesis: What can I say, I sat in a theatre about 3 weeks after it opened and seriously couldn't shake the feeling that we were watching Star Trek as a franchise in its death throes. Pointless villain, and the characters were not the ones that I grew up watching. Sad really, next gen deserved a better send off.
Generations: Horrible script, but visually I think it is very interesting (John Alonzo's cinematography in particular). The Kirk-Picard meeting could have been handled in a much more interesting way.
First Contact: Entertaining, looks great and the Borg are still interesting as villains (before Janeway, Chuckles et al started encountering them every other week).
Insurrection: The best two-parter next gen never did. Really this is more of a telefilm writ large. I am probably in the minority though who thought F. Murray Abraham was a good villain and made the most of the material given to him.
Nemesis: What can I say, I sat in a theatre about 3 weeks after it opened and seriously couldn't shake the feeling that we were watching Star Trek as a franchise in its death throes. Pointless villain, and the characters were not the ones that I grew up watching. Sad really, next gen deserved a better send off.
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