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I think both Exodus and Captaindemotion are right. Halle Berry wasn't a box office draw before the X-films, and to be quite frankly, after the X-films. Though there have been some post-Oscar attempts by Hollywood to put her on, though I don't know if those projects were good vehicles for her. I don't even know if Monster's Ball was all that successful box office wise. But I think Exodus is correct in pointing out Halle's popularity, in large part due to African-American filmgoers whose early support helped her get the buzz that got her the X-films and perhaps many others.

As for the 'race card' stuff in the Oscar speech, I agree with CD that that wasn't the case. Now, to go further, it bothers me that any mention of race gets people, generally black people, labelled as 'racist' these days. Yet, some whites talk about reverse discrimination, and people like Glenn Beck call the President racist and Rush Limbaugh accuses Colin Powell of being racially biased when endorsed Obama, and I'm assuming many of these same white folks have no problem with those statements. Halle was pointing out a fact, it might be an uncomfortable fact, but it was the truth. And I saw no problem with that, or celebrating her breakthrough (though I question the win), because many other talented black actresses were passed over or completely ignored for decades by the Academy Awards mainly because of their skin color. All this kneejerk race card stuff attempts to reduce racial complaints to just a game, and sometimes the complaints hold little water or none at all, but in light of the twisted racial history in the US and not to mention the knotty racial relations across the globe, I think racism allegations have enough basis in historical fact not to be summarily dismissed as I feel this race card label business wishes to do.
 
Why would we want skinny twigs like Thandie Newton to play a formidable Earth Goddess?

Thandi has the acting chops to pull it off and she's no stranger to genre fare. Gina Torres would be a good choice, but I think age would be a factor. Torres got the height, the regal beauty, and the command presence. Though I also wouldn't mind Gabrielle Union, she has the requisite toughness. Though Megalyn E., Naomie Harris, and Caroline Chikezie (sp) work for me too.
 
^I'm 100% with you on that point DarKush which is why it annoys me if someone suggests that I'm being in some way racially insensitive for pointing out the fact that Ms Berry's pre X-Men career does not suggest that she was some sort of box office gold-dust, whatever about her personal popularity within the African-American community. I mean, we in Ireland love Gabriel Byrne and Colin Farrell, but it still doesn't make them Tom Hanks and Will Smith, does it?

The only colour issue is green, as far as I'm concerned - that refers to dollars, not to Ireland!
 
I'm just puzzled no one has excorciated me for diminishing the recognition of Sir Ian McKellan amongst the gay community and the role they play in Hollywood's creative industry. Will no one speak out against my injustice?

Also, Gina Torres is and always will be Storm in my mind.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
 
Thanks CD. I don't want to put words in Exodus's mouth, but to me, I'm thinking she/he's getting at she wasn't just popular with black audiences, for us she was a box office draw. Her name being attached to a project piqued interest which ultimately helped to enhance her viability for white audiences, IMO. Not quite like the Tyler Perry films, but its the best analogy I could think of. Strong black support generated enough dollars to get Perry notice by the white Hollywood and is starting to get the notice of white moviegoers.

Halle's career is very interesting. I will say that the pre-X-films/Oscar career, she seemed to have a better talent for picking roles that got her notice with black and white viewing audiences. Even though I think she's attempted to continue doing that after the X-films and Oscar, she's made poor choices. Though I must say that she wasn't the only problem in Die Another Day, which made a lot of money (and I think was the last blockbuster she starred in with the exception of X3), though I don't think it enhanced her career, despite the awesome tribute to Ursula Andreas (?), when she emerged from the ocean.

To me, Halle works better in smaller, dramatic films. When she tries to cash in on her superstar status, she doesn't seem to do as well.

Another Storm choice that just came to mind is Nona Gaye. I haven't seen her since the Matrix films, but she definitely left an impression with me.

About Bryne and Farrell, I agree with CD on Byrne. He's a great character actor. But I'm not sure about Farrell. For a minute, I think Hollywood was pushing him, but similar to Halle he made some bad choices, I mean that Alexander the Great film was a disaster, and the next thing I know he's dialed it back down and is doing smaller films like In Bruges.
 
Thanks CD. I don't want to put words in Exodus's mouth, but to me, I'm thinking she/he's getting at she wasn't just popular with black audiences, for us she was a box office draw. Her name being attached to a project piqued interest which ultimately helped to enhance her viability for white audiences, IMO. Not quite like the Tyler Perry films, but its the best analogy I could think of. Strong black support generated enough dollars to get Perry notice by the white Hollywood and is starting to get the notice of white moviegoers.
Exactly, thank you. :techman:

There is no denying that Halle's star power among that community drew in a larger number of that audiences, which in turn created a larger box office for the X-Men films. Dismissing that fact(Which FOX studios sure didn't) is IMO, short sighted.
 
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whatever about her personal popularity within the African-American community.
I think this speaks for itself as too why I found you dismissive.

Once again, Halle Berry was a big draw to the X-Men due to her popularity in the African-American community, which in turn drew in a larger crowd due to her appeal to that audience.

If it's all about green as you say, then FOX studios did their homework by considering that. Thus pulling in a community that normally isn't drawn heavily to sci-fi/fantasy type films. In turn making more money for the X-Men film franchiese.
 
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I never cared for Halle's Storm. She always too wimpy. Gina Torres would've been pretty awesome.
 
To me, Halle works better in smaller, dramatic films. When she tries to cash in on her superstar status, she doesn't seem to do as well.

My problem with Berry is that she just can't seem to sell genre. We see this in the X-films, in Gothika, in (shudder) Catwoman--the actor/actress has to make you believe that the character is truly experiencing all these outlandish things, and Berry always looks faintly incredulous at everything that's happening, as though she can't picture the finished product on the greenscreen, or just finds the whole thing faintly absurd. It makes watching her irritating in a breaking-the-fourth-wall kind of way. She's better suited to realist work.

As for things like Bond or Swordfish--well, they're not altogether more realistic, and female characters in those movies are always plot ciphers anyway, not much room for anything remarkable in terms of performance.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
 
After what he did to Superman I am wary.

He didn't do anything to Superman except tell a great story that didn't have any currency to today's movie goers, because most of the public wants nothing but mindless action and a hero who is hard assed and hard hearted, like Arnold. That's why Superman Returns failed, NOT anything else that you and most other people come up with. That, and the 'gay' factor (considering Superman to be 'gay' because he was sensitive to the needs of others).
 
when the first film came out I don't think I ever even heard of Gina Torres, but had heard of Angella Bassett and was disappointed when they casted Halle, but whatever, what's done is done

there was actually a few other odd casting choices

I still wonder when this movie will be set like say early mid 90s?

could we see Storm rockin the Mohawk?
 
After what he did to Superman I am wary.

He didn't do anything to Superman except tell a great story that didn't have any currency to today's movie goers, because most of the public wants nothing but mindless action and a hero who is hard assed and hard hearted, like Arnold. That's why Superman Returns failed, NOT anything else that you and most other people come up with. That, and the 'gay' factor (considering Superman to be 'gay' because he was sensitive to the needs of others).

I really enjoyed Superman Returns. I can treat it as if there are only 3 films in the Franchise quite happily. The problem with Superman is that he's to powerful. Mindless action only works well on a smaller scale. The only other film I enjoyed enormously involving mass destruction was Team America... Although the Day After Tomorrow wasn't too bad.

However, X-men 1's action scenes seemed strangely unsatisfying and I'm not sure why. It might have been because the final fight with Magneto was such a damp squib. The scene where Wolvie saves Rogue however was brilliantly executed.
 
Thandi has the acting chops to pull it off and she's no stranger to genre fare. Gina Torres would be a good choice, but I think age would be a factor. Torres got the height, the regal beauty, and the command presence. Though I also wouldn't mind Gabrielle Union, she has the requisite toughness. Though Megalyn E., Naomie Harris, and Caroline Chikezie (sp) work for me too.
I'd rather go with relative unknowns who have proven acting chops such as Megalyn Echikunwoke or Caroline Chikezie. Gina Torres has a manface and Gabrielle Union looks too much like the girls-next-door type to be affective as a superheroine.
 
Thandi has the acting chops to pull it off and she's no stranger to genre fare. Gina Torres would be a good choice, but I think age would be a factor. Torres got the height, the regal beauty, and the command presence. Though I also wouldn't mind Gabrielle Union, she has the requisite toughness. Though Megalyn E., Naomie Harris, and Caroline Chikezie (sp) work for me too.
I'd rather go with relative unknowns who have proven acting chops such as Megalyn Echikunwoke or Caroline Chikezie. Gina Torres has a manface and Gabrielle Union looks too much like the girls-next-door type to be affective as a superheroine.

I have no problems with Megalyn or Caroline, but I disagree with you about Torres. There's nothing manlike at all about her. I think she's very attractive. I also think Gabrielle Union has a steeliness that would make her believable as co-leader of the X-Men. Plus I think she could handle the action scenes pretty well, same as Torres.
 
Thandi has the acting chops to pull it off and she's no stranger to genre fare. Gina Torres would be a good choice, but I think age would be a factor. Torres got the height, the regal beauty, and the command presence. Though I also wouldn't mind Gabrielle Union, she has the requisite toughness. Though Megalyn E., Naomie Harris, and Caroline Chikezie (sp) work for me too.
I'd rather go with relative unknowns who have proven acting chops such as Megalyn Echikunwoke or Caroline Chikezie. Gina Torres has a manface and Gabrielle Union looks too much like the girls-next-door type to be affective as a superheroine.

I have no problems with Megalyn or Caroline, but I disagree with you about Torres. There's nothing manlike at all about her. I think she's very attractive. I also think Gabrielle Union has a steeliness that would make her believable as co-leader of the X-Men. Plus I think she could handle the action scenes pretty well, same as Torres.
Besides, aren't the X-Men really freedom fighters for equality more so than superheroes? So they should look like average people gifted/cursed with their abilities than the muscle bound people we expect superheroes to be. I mean people like Cyke, Jean, Logan & Storm are supposed to be able to walk down a city street without drawing any attention to themselves.
 
I would equate Halle Berry's career to Daniel Craig's.

I would say before X-Men, which brought her to a larger audience, she was considered to be a good actress, but did films with very specific target audiences and were not all that mainstream. Now, there is nothing wrong with that, but I would argue that if you went up to the average person walking down the street and asked them who Halle Berry was at that time, they would go "Who?" Once X-Men hit, along with Monster's Ball (and to a lesser extent Swordfish), she became a household name.

Much like Daniel Craig. He was a good actor in several well-regarded films such as Road to Perdition, Munich, and Layer Cake. However, those really were not mainstream features and/or hits. Also before Bond, if you were to go up to the average person on the street and ask them about Daniel Craig, they would go "Who?"

That doesn't mean Halle Berry wasn't popular in various circles, she just didn't hit the mainstream celebrity status until after 2000/2001.
 
A lot of fans forget that early Storm was quite passive and she didn't come into her own until after Cyclops left. The movies were simply following that development albeit that the focus on Wolverine and the fact that the movies were set over a very short period meant that it wasn't a very organic transformation.

I'd have preferred Angela Bassett but Storms early role was so minor I can see why she might not have wanted the part.
 
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