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Will "Killing In The Name" be Christmas #1?

ive said it before, and ill say it again its pretty much impossible for teenagers to rebel these days, there is almost nothing, that has not been done before, and most of it, is catered for by commercial company's, be it clothes shops or record companys.

I see X-Factor is No 2 this year, which is good news. I thought Wogan had a single out, dont see it on the Top 40
 
And so a pattern of four X-Factor Crimbo #1s in a row has been finally broken. It's also the first ever download-only Crimbo #1.

The power of Facebook compels us all. :bolian:
 
makes this all seem rather pointless then

No, no. Far from pointless. It's traditional and healthy to teach our young to salve their consciences by seemingly rebelling against perceived authority while still lining the pockets of the military-industrial complex. :D

(... God bless us, every one...! :D)

But I wonder how that explains Bob the Builder's chart assault a few years ago? :lol:

Bob the Builder is the classic archetype of the working class. The show teaches children to be happy in their menial labour, never once questioning the commands on those commissioning their work. The show's motto "Can we fix it? Yes, we can" is the mantra of the opium-addled masses, giving them the illusion of control while not actually changing anything for the benefit of the proletariat and the only thing that is fixed is ongoing dominance of the capitalist system keeping Bob trapped in his job, with no prospect of socioeconomic progression. ;)
 
No, no. Far from pointless. It's traditional and healthy to teach our young to salve their consciences by seemingly rebelling against perceived authority while still lining the pockets of the military-industrial complex. :D

(... God bless us, every one...! :D)

But I wonder how that explains Bob the Builder's chart assault a few years ago? :lol:

Bob the Builder is the classic archetype of the working class. The show teaches children to be happy in their menial labour, never once questioning the commands on those commissioning their work. The show's motto is a virtual clarion of "Can we fix it? Yes, we can" is the mantra of the opium-addled masses, giving them the illusion of control while not actually changing anything for the benefit of the proletariat and the only thing they fix is the capitalist system keeping Bob trapped in his job, with no prospect of socioeconomic progression. ;)

And of course we all believed Bob and Wendy were getting it on behind the scenes. :bolian:

BTW.... mission accomplished! :klingon: :hugegrin:
Neat. :techman:
Next year it has to be "Sabotage". :bolian:
 
But I wonder how that explains Bob the Builder's chart assault a few years ago? :lol:

Bob the Builder is the classic archetype of the working class. The show teaches children to be happy in their menial labour, never once questioning the commands on those commissioning their work. The show's motto is a virtual clarion of "Can we fix it? Yes, we can" is the mantra of the opium-addled masses, giving them the illusion of control while not actually changing anything for the benefit of the proletariat and the only thing they fix is the capitalist system keeping Bob trapped in his job, with no prospect of socioeconomic progression. ;)

And of course we all believed Bob and Wendy were getting it on behind the scenes. :bolian:

The parallels to Jesus Christ and Mary Magdalene are indeed striking, yes.
 
It's official:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8423340.stm

This now exorcises the ghosts of previous Crimbo chart upsets forever. Pogues and Kirsty MacColl, Chef from South Park, The Darkness... you are now FREE! :bolian:


Bob the Builder is the classic archetype of the working class. The show teaches children to be happy in their menial labour, never once questioning the commands on those commissioning their work. The show's motto is a virtual clarion of "Can we fix it? Yes, we can" is the mantra of the opium-addled masses, giving them the illusion of control while not actually changing anything for the benefit of the proletariat and the only thing they fix is the capitalist system keeping Bob trapped in his job, with no prospect of socioeconomic progression. ;)

And of course we all believed Bob and Wendy were getting it on behind the scenes. :bolian:

The parallels to Jesus Christ and Mary Magdalene are indeed striking, yes.
Let's not be giving Dan Brown ideas for a new book, now... :lol:
 
Just saw this interview (warning, link to The Sun's website) where Joe listened to Killing in the Name for the first time and commented on it:
They can't be serious! I had no idea what it sounded like. It's dreadful and I hate it. How could anyone enjoy this? Can you imagine the grandmas hearing this over Christmas lunch?

I wouldn't buy it. It's a nought out of ten from me. Simon Cowell wouldn't like it. They wouldn't get through to boot camp on The X Factor - they're just shouting.
Well that erases any sympathy I had for him for losing. :)
 
I think it is good to see a Christmas number 1 that is not the X Factor just a shame it is artificial it would have been nice to see a new song do it just by enough people liking it the most.
That said it is still nice to see Simon Cowell take a little knock. The Real winners are Sony who get money from both songs.
I wonder what song the campaign will choose to stop The X-Factor next year though I would not be suprised if Cowell uses Facebook et al to fight back.
I hope next Christmas a real band get to number 1 with a song they wrote themselves which is also a new song. Can't see it though.
 
I read the latest BBC article - it is thought that the bad weather over the weekend has affected CD sales of Joe McElderry's single (which went out on Wednesday) versus digital copies of singles, and thus it might have also affected the chart result.

Looks like the Great British Weather™ has its uses after all... ;)
 
I bought RATM earlier in the week despite owning the album. AT 29p it seemed like the right thing to do.
 
Just saw this interview (warning, link to The Sun's website) where Joe listened to Killing in the Name for the first time and commented on it:
They can't be serious! I had no idea what it sounded like. It's dreadful and I hate it. How could anyone enjoy this? Can you imagine the grandmas hearing this over Christmas lunch?

I wouldn't buy it. It's a nought out of ten from me. Simon Cowell wouldn't like it. They wouldn't get through to boot camp on The X Factor - they're just shouting.
Well that erases any sympathy I had for him for losing. :)

You can't be too suprised to here Joe say that. He is no fan of real music in fact I doubt he has any idea of what music is if he thinks it is for grandmars to listen to...
 
Just saw this interview (warning, link to The Sun's website) where Joe listened to Killing in the Name for the first time and commented on it:
They can't be serious! I had no idea what it sounded like. It's dreadful and I hate it. How could anyone enjoy this? Can you imagine the grandmas hearing this over Christmas lunch?

I wouldn't buy it. It's a nought out of ten from me. Simon Cowell wouldn't like it. They wouldn't get through to boot camp on The X Factor - they're just shouting.
Well that erases any sympathy I had for him for losing. :)

You can't be too suprised to here Joe say that. He is no fan of real music in fact I doubt he has any idea of what music is if he thinks it is for grandmars to listen to...

The sad thing is that this is the same sort of reaction that his grandma's generation's parents would have had if they ever listened to the sort of music demonstrated on The X Factor. But that's rock and/or roll for you... :)

(And yes, I do realise that Sir Paul "Granny Music™" McCartney was a guest on the last show this year. ;))
 
I'm surprised but very glad Rage won - I did indeed buy it... twice. I wasn't going to, as the charts are irrelevant and have been for years now, but these factors combined to change my mind:

1. The Shelter link. Buy Rage, donate to Shelter. Brilliant way to justify buying something I've owned for years, and at last check over £30,000 had been raised for one of the best causes in the country.

2. Amazon sales count to the chart. 29p download? Why not?

3. The X Factor song. Bland, uninspiring, run of the mill cack cover of one of the worst female artists of the decade. None of the other songs from X Factor/Pop Idol etc have ever angered me so much.

4. Simon Cowell's ego. "It's all about me. It's out to hurt me." His dismissal of anyone who doesn't buy into his music is a business philosophy "This campaign is stupid. It is cynical." He then claims he and his machine have 'done the charts a favour' in recent years. Sorry, what? The X Factor is a 16 week long marketing campaign for the winner's song. It cruises to the top spot every year, crushing what little competition there is (which is generally none, because everyone has accepted it's not wise to release that week.). No Simon, what you have helped do is wreck popular music in the UK. This year is the first real interest the charts have had in ages, and the closest competition between two songs since the Spice Girls in 1998.

4. The general attitude of people. "Oh it'd be cool/nice/amazing if it happened. But it won't, so don't bother trying." That kind of defeatist attitude really irritated me, so I joined in the campaign in the hope that, even if Rage only made top 2-3, it would still make the point that people can achieve against long odds if they make even a smidgeon of effort.

5. The Sun. Yesterday's front page headline: we played Joe McElderry RATM for the first time and he hated it. He reacted by screaming how he hated it and insulted people who like it. Oh, and threw darts at a board with Zack de la Rocha's face on it. That drove me nuts. That isn't news or even average journalism. It is flat out sensationalism and, frankly, lying. A boy who's never heard of the band, let alone the song, has a spare dart set hanging around depicting them? For fuck's sake. Grow up - any sympathy for him losing the annual non-contest is obliterated by that immature reaction in my opinion.

I would also like this to show that getting a no.1 single is not some be-all and end-all of what constitutes success in the music industry. Joe - who I freely admit is decent singer, not my cup of tea in the slightest though - will work now on an album and a tour, and those things will show whether he is a musical success or not. Not his image or the false achievement of the Christmas no.1 Simon Cowell spends so much money on purchashing every year.

Two other things:
-Cowell and Rage are both owned by Sony, yes. But how some people can construe that to mean Cowell gets money from Killing in the Name is beyond me. He doesn't own the label and so is not entitled to proceeds.
-Rage will be donating their proceeds to a UK charity that aids young people in developing their musical talents and careers, not Shelter. Tom Morello has also hinted they may play a one-off UK show and income from that would also go to charity.
 
makes this all seem rather pointless then
Helping to make money for charity is pointless?

BTW.... mission accomplished! :klingon: :hugegrin:
Neat. :techman:

So why not try to get the Peter Kay song to number one?!?
It's helping charity and a bit different then the run-of-the-mill songs...

I liked that Peter Kay charity song too. The video was inspired, just like in the previous Comic Relief singles he organised.
 
5. The Sun. Yesterday's front page headline: we played Joe McElderry RATM for the first time and he hated it. He reacted by screaming how he hated it and insulted people who like it. Oh, and threw darts at a board with Zack de la Rocha's face on it. That drove me nuts. That isn't news or even average journalism. It is flat out sensationalism and, frankly, lying. A boy who's never heard of the band, let alone the song, has a spare dart set hanging around depicting them? For fuck's sake. Grow up - any sympathy for him losing the annual non-contest is obliterated by that immature reaction in my opinion.

Why? You just called BS on the whole thing, but it takes away any sympathy for Joe?
You do realise there's no way that's true, right? No-one Joe's age could have got through their teenage years without being exposed to RATM, there's not way he'd never heard it before.

I'm not unhappy Rage won, in fact I think its hilarious, but I don't think Joe himself has done anything wrong.
 
5. The Sun. Yesterday's front page headline: we played Joe McElderry RATM for the first time and he hated it. He reacted by screaming how he hated it and insulted people who like it. Oh, and threw darts at a board with Zack de la Rocha's face on it. That drove me nuts. That isn't news or even average journalism. It is flat out sensationalism and, frankly, lying. A boy who's never heard of the band, let alone the song, has a spare dart set hanging around depicting them? For fuck's sake. Grow up - any sympathy for him losing the annual non-contest is obliterated by that immature reaction in my opinion.

Why? You just called BS on the whole thing, but it takes away any sympathy for Joe?
You do realise there's no way that's true, right? No-one Joe's age could have got through their teenage years without being exposed to RATM, there's not way he'd never heard it before.

I'm not unhappy Rage won, in fact I think its hilarious, but I don't think Joe himself has done anything wrong.

I have nothing against Joe personally, but his expectation that he should be number 1 for simply being X-Factor winner makes me think he is a bit of a twat.
 
5. The Sun. Yesterday's front page headline: we played Joe McElderry RATM for the first time and he hated it. He reacted by screaming how he hated it and insulted people who like it. Oh, and threw darts at a board with Zack de la Rocha's face on it. That drove me nuts. That isn't news or even average journalism. It is flat out sensationalism and, frankly, lying. A boy who's never heard of the band, let alone the song, has a spare dart set hanging around depicting them? For fuck's sake. Grow up - any sympathy for him losing the annual non-contest is obliterated by that immature reaction in my opinion.

Why? You just called BS on the whole thing, but it takes away any sympathy for Joe?
You do realise there's no way that's true, right? No-one Joe's age could have got through their teenage years without being exposed to RATM, there's not way he'd never heard it before.

I'm not unhappy Rage won, in fact I think its hilarious, but I don't think Joe himself has done anything wrong.

I have nothing against Joe personally, but his expectation that he should be number 1 for simply being X-Factor winner makes me think he is a bit of a twat.
Of course, this being the attention-deficit 00s where we've had a different #1 song almost every week (at least especially before downloads were included in the charts) without any particular overreaching anthem dominating a particular time period (with some very notable exceptions, e.g. Rihanna's "Umbrella"), he would expect that sort of foregone conclusion having been brought up on this sort of chart behaviour.

And of course, this being the attention-deficit 00s, we can expect the teens to defy the weather and ensure Joe becomes #1 next week, once everyone stops buying RATM. It's a "climb"... of sorts. ;)
 
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