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Stewart talks about domestic violence in his childhood

Oh gods. I forgot to take my medication tonight. I'm so, so sorry. :(:(:( Please, forgive me. I'm not usually like this. I am so ashamed.

I wish this evening hadn't happened. I have disgraced myself, and I offer my heartfelt apologies.

To ANYONE who has somehow made it through my ranting to get here, I am sorry, and I can only convey my deep regret.
 
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I'm really sorry you went through that, mickmike.

First time I've ever wished TrekBBS had a hug smiley.[/QUOTE]


I'm sure there are many people on this board who have lived through the same or worse but regardless childhood certainly was not fun. Living with a man who could go from being kind and gentle to angry and cruel in the space of a couple of hours was not easy. However i am a better man than he will ever be because of it.

Thank you for the mental hug smiley SiorX it means alot!

edit: Blurg, i screwed up the quotey
 
We all have our hot-buttons, and occasionally live to regret the quote-function of the BBS. And I've gleaned some valuable links to follow up from it. We've none of up cloaked ourselves in glory, I think.

Maybe we should go with mickmike's suggestion for the direction of this thread.
 
"Interesting" thread for a while.... :vulcan:

Glad things are a bit calmer now & hopefully things can turn to a more productive actual discussion.

On a non-moderating note, FWIW, I think Stewart's pretty ballsy to talk about this stuff. Millions wouldn't.
 
"Interesting" thread for a while.... :vulcan:.

To my deep shame and regret, yes.

You have absolutely zero rational reason to feel either shame or regret for what you have posted.

I am one of those who thinks that PS has been quite brave (over many, many years) in giving public utterance of his childhood experiences.

Yet, I understand why you might - in absence of seeing what he has been saying for a long time - choose to vent in the way you did on learning of this as if it was the first time he had had anything to say on the matter.

Pain is such visceral - and yet oddly timed - thing. It seems that everything is ok for weeks, or months or years and then suddenly, without rhyme or reason, it all comes down.

I can't even begin to get close to where you might be coming from, but at least I'd like you to know that what you are saying is not an alien topic.

We are all beginning to finally understand that there is in fact deep damage that has been and continues to be inflicted on the young by those in control of their destinies.

It is not a sex-based issue. It's a control issue.

At least, that is what I have taken from your posts.
 
Actually, when I have debated on subjects such as the acceptibility and promotion of violence against males, particularly young ones (and we're not talking female-on-male specifically, just violence in general) at Cambridge University I have had many people seek me out afterwards to praise me for my eloquence. People not taking my arguments seriously is something I rarely encounter.

Well violence in general is something everybody should tackle, but I don't understand why you expressed such distain for Patrick S. expressing his own personal experiences and voicing what he supports..... at least he's supporting something towards stopping violence.

Unfortunately, people who think it is acceptable to deny the culture that encourages this violence- the same violence that was inflicted on me on a daily basis for five years while society did nothing and supported it- cause me to lose control in the manner which I did in this thread. If people can't be bothered to do what I did and weigh up all sides of an issue, handing them evidence won't matter. They'll discard it out of hand. Unless you demonstrate the desire to learn, you cannot do so.

Oh I have a desire to learn and I will be continuing to learn until I die, and even then I imagine I'll learn even more.

But I already took out plenty of my time to try and find anything online to support your argument and found nothing..... it's a bit hard for someone to learn something when the person claiming information that should be learned doesn't help those people to obtain that information to learn.

That's like telling someone who took an axe to the leg there's a first aid kit that can help them nearby, but they have to go find it themselves and you won't help them find it. :vulcan:

And you're not the only male in these forums who's dealt with physical and mental abuse over the years..... be that 5 years, 1 year or 23 years, it's still abuse and it's still wrong, no matter who's doing, no matter what their gender may be...... but so long as people are willing to focus on addressing whatever they possibly can towards such violence, be that gender based, relationship based, school based, family based, whatever.... so long as people are willing to tackle the parts they feel they can make a difference in, that they had direct experience/understanding in, it should all be supported and those people should be applauded for their efforts...... not bickered at and attacked because they're not doing as much as you would expect them to do.

At least they're doing something.
 
Praxius said:
Well violence in general is something everybody should tackle, but I don't understand why you expressed such distain for Patrick S. expressing his own personal experiences and voicing what he supports..... at least he's supporting something towards stopping violence.

Deranged has already apologized for some of his statements, Praxius. Profusely. Look at posts #41 and #45.
 
Praxius said:
Well violence in general is something everybody should tackle, but I don't understand why you expressed such distain for Patrick S. expressing his own personal experiences and voicing what he supports..... at least he's supporting something towards stopping violence.

Deranged has already apologized for some of his statements, Praxius. Profusely. Look at posts #41 and #45.

I am aware of this, I will still respond to what has been said regardless of the situation however. It's certainly nothing personal. We also had a little discussion via PM to straighten things out as well a while back. But I'm a Mass'Debater at heart and usually have an automatic reaction to respond to what is said, regardless of who said what and why.
 
Possibly we need to just recognize that it is an unfortunate tendency for people to abuse each other in various ways. Period. No one is immune, but hopefully the more thoughtful people tend to try to rise above it. And its not just humans. It's the other primates too. You can see it as you watch groups of them interacting. Maybe it's a primate thing. Felines are somewhat more sensible and forthright.
 
For me, the most striking part of Patrick Stewart's article about his father was this:

"He was an angry, unhappy and frustrated man who was not able to control his emotions or his hands. As a child I witnessed his repeated violence against my mother, and the terror and misery he caused was such that, if I felt I could have succeeded, I would have killed him."

Stewart is brutally open and honest.

I respected him a lot as an actor before this. I now respect him very much more as a man - exposing himself in a way that shows us an honest and vulnerable and honourable man.

Kudos to him.
 
Oh gods. I forgot to take my medication tonight. I'm so, so sorry. :(:(:( Please, forgive me. I'm not usually like this. I am so ashamed.

I wish this evening hadn't happened. I have disgraced myself, and I offer my heartfelt apologies.

To ANYONE who has somehow made it through my ranting to get here, I am sorry, and I can only convey my deep regret.

After following this thread with interest, I must say that I believe you were trolling everyone amazingly well until now.
 
Oh gods. I forgot to take my medication tonight. I'm so, so sorry. :(:(:( Please, forgive me. I'm not usually like this. I am so ashamed.

I wish this evening hadn't happened. I have disgraced myself, and I offer my heartfelt apologies.

To ANYONE who has somehow made it through my ranting to get here, I am sorry, and I can only convey my deep regret.

After following this thread with interest, I must say that I believe you were trolling everyone amazingly well until now.

So, you can believe anger and irrational fuming but you can't believe a genuine apology? You obviously don't think very highly of people in that case. I can assure you no trolling was involved.

That'll teach me for feeling and demonstrating remorse, eh? :wtf:
 
This was easy to find. It's all about search terms.
http://www.abanet.org/domviol/statistics.html

one example:

Approximately 1.3 million women and 835,000 men are physically assaulted by an intimate partner annually in the United States.
Patricia Tjaden & Nancy Thoennes, U.S. Dep't of Just., NCJ 183781, Full Report of the Prevalence, Incidence, and Consequences of Intimate Partner Violence Against Women: Findings from the National Violence Against Women Survey, at iv (2000), available at http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/nij/pubs-sum/183781.htm
Although the study was in "Violence against Women", the statistics clearly show that violence against Men is far from rare.
It does appear that male attacks produce around three times more fatalities than female attacks, and that there are, overall, significantly more male attacks.
But the point that Nasat was making is quite true.
1.3 million vs. 835,000 (albeit of reported cases) is hardly a huge disparity.
 
So, you can believe anger and irrational fuming but you can't believe a genuine apology? You obviously don't think very highly of people in that case. I can assure you no trolling was involved.

That'll teach me for feeling and demonstrating remorse, eh? :wtf:

Actually I didn't believe the anger and irrational fuming. To me, it looked a lot like an act to stir up trouble. I kept thinking "This guy can't seriously be ignoring the rational and reasonable responses he's getting unless he's doing it to get a rise out of people." But then again, I'm a jaded veteran of less moderated discussion forums where trolling is rife.

My sincere apologies if you weren't doing it for a laugh.
 
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