A Hater Revisits nuWho

[Bones2]

I only saw that Daleks two parter just the once when it came out, but I don't recall it being that awful. It'll be a while before I get to it, but as bad as the Slitheen two parter, Boomtown, Love and Monsters, and Fear Her? Takes some doing.

 

[Starkers]

Boomtown is a classic RTD limp episode, in that even in episodes that aren't great he manages to put something phenomenal in there, namely the Doctor's conversation with Margaret over dinner which is brilliant.

 

[selina]

Fear Her is the worst episode of the new series (although even it has a few nice moments- the TARDIS having to turn around, the doctor taking charge with the squabbling people etc)

No, that honor goes to "Daleks in Manhattan"/"Evolution of the Daleks." I can tolerate "Fear Her" and "Love & Monsters" (which I, too, thought had the potential to be a brilliant episode but failed), but that two-part story made me want to pull out my hair. Very few Doctor Who stories do that to me (The Gunfighters and The Underwater Menace also fit in that category).

Almost the same here. I never got why people dislike "Fear her" so much.

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Is it because the storyline 'there's a monster in the closet' is a cliché or because it isn't plausible enough? Or because the girl "captures" everyone in her pictures? Or because she is possessed by the little alien life-form? I like the analogy that they are both lonely. Also, it's quite understandable why the girl is afraid of her father and tries to compensate that by drawing a picture of him the way she sees him. After all, it is an average episode for me, but not a complete waste of time. I laughed several times, e.g. when Rose says "You're cute" and the Doctor thinks she means him before he realises that she was talking to a cat.

Well, "Love & Monster's" I didn't like because there wasn't enough Doctor in it and because I found the other actors annoying. I also disliked the ending and it's certainly my least favourite episode - closely followed by "Evolution of the Daleks", in which case I didn't like the story, but that's just me.

 

[wamdue]

Fear Her, its a very implausible plot and the Doctor carrying the Olympic flame, that is one of those moments where we can say that Ten devlops the ego that leads up to the events of Waters of Mars.

the problem with Evolution of the Daleks is not theDoctor, Martha or even the Daleks, its Lazo and the show girl.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Don't forget about the pigmen.

Oh, sorry to remind everyone.

 

[Timby]

As I've always said, the early lineup of the third season of the revival is thus:

Smith and Jones
The Shakespeare Code
Gridlock
Fucking Pigmen
No, Seriously, Fucking Pigmen: Part II

Helen Raynor redeemed herself, mildly, with the season four Sontaran two-parter, but there is no way of getting around that Manhattan abomination. Out of the aforementioned "Daleks looking over their shoulders" bit, there is absolutely nothing redeeming about those episodes.

Then again, they're still better than Fear Her and the Doctor running the fucking Olympic torch.

 

[DWF]

I like what Steven Moffat had to say about Smith And Jones.

[On ‘Smith and Jones’] Anyone who's interested in writing should study that script - it's one of the most technically brilliant scripts you'll ever get your hands on. The construction of it is dazzling, and yet - and this is the REALLY dazzling part - it's designed to feel light and airy and simple. And for that dim-witted reason, people think it IS simple. It's not, it's incredible. Look, what's folded away in all that gorgeous froth. A new main character, whole and complete - an old friend within minutes. Her entire background and family, all there for us, perfectly clear. And while all that’s going on, AT THE SAME TIME, a hospital gets stolen and taken to the (bloody) moon. All this in under ten minutes! And never mind all that, the entire format of the entire show is explained and sold to a brand new audience. Stunning. But - and this what makes your blood boil - because it's made to LOOK easy, idiots and critics think it IS easy. Try it! Go on, get yer pen, TRY it.

Thing is, I get a lot of praise for the complexity of Blink, and quite bloody right too. But because I know what I'm talking about, I can tell you as a matter of FACT, that Smith And Jones is WAY more complex. But because Blink wears its complexity on its sleeve, cos that was kind of the point, Smith And Jones conceals it, cos it's a means to an end.

Really and truly, Smith And Jones, go study. And if you don't think it's brilliant, shut up until you understand that it is.

This was original posted at Outpost Gallifrey and the thread of Moffat's quotes about the show was reposted atthe enw site.

 

[Australis]

Someone should ask the Moff to post h here. We're much nicer than the OG guys.

 

[Sci]

Folks have been saying that apart from the Daleks looking over their shoulders, there's nothing of redemptive value in "Daleks in Manhattan"/"Evolution of the Daleks."

The first thing I'd say is that I enjoyed "Daleks in Manhattan" even though I thought "Evolution of the Daleks" was crap. I liked the tribute to American pulp storytelling.

And, secondly: Whatever else you may think about that two-parter, Murray Gold's "Evolution of the Daleks" theme is WONDERFUL, as is the song "The Devil in Me."

 

[ITL]

As I've always said, the early lineup of the third season of the revival is thus:

Smith and Jones
The Shakespeare Code
Gridlock
Fucking Pigmen
No, Seriously, Fucking Pigmen: Part II

Helen Raynor redeemed herself, mildly, with the season four Sontaran two-parter, but there is no way of getting around that Manhattan abomination. Out of the aforementioned "Daleks looking over their shoulders" bit, there is absolutely nothing redeeming about those episodes.

This be true.

I recently watched the two-parter again, just to see if ignoring it since the original broadcast could in any way make it seem exciting and new. I consider the fact that I didn't inject bleach directly into my brain in an attempt to remove the memory of watching it one of my greatest triumphs.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Someone should ask the Moff to post h here. We're much nicer than the OG guys.

Oh, wouldn't that be awesome? Not going to happen because we're primarily a Star Trek board, but I would still love it.

 

[Neroon]

And, secondly: Whatever else you may think about that two-parter, Murray Gold's "Evolution of the Daleks" theme is WONDERFUL, as is the song "The Devil in Me."

Everything he writes for Who turns to ....... turns to..... it turns out great!

 

[Count Zero]

I can tolerate "Fear Her" and "Love & Monsters" (which I, too, thought had the potential to be a brilliant episode but failed), but that two-part story made me want to pull out my hair. Very few Doctor Who stories do that to me (The Gunfighters and The Underwater Menace also fit in that category).

Haha, I feel with you regarding The Gunfighters and, to a lesser degree, The Underwater Menace. In the former, the writers have this secret plan of driving their audience mad by having this stupid Western song play every 2 minutes and recount what just happened in the episode. They should just have made the story a two-parter instead.
In The Underwater Menace, just one stupid, pointless thing after another happens. So, Atlantis wasn't really destroyed but can be accessed through a mountain, they all speak English and they've somehow managed to contract a crazy scientist to lift up Atlantis out of the sea, who is really keen on destroying the world in the process? Ok...
But it's so over the top I just went along for the ride. It's all so silly I can't take it seriously or get upset about it.

 

[DWF]

Someone should ask the Moff to post h here. We're much nicer than the OG guys.

Oh, wouldn't that be awesome? Not going to happen because we're primarily a Star Trek board, but I would still love it.

Moffat has puled back from the fans altogether, you won't be seeing him posting anywhere 'til his run is over with.

 

[Bones2]

Someone should ask the Moff to post h here. We're much nicer than the OG guys.

Oh, wouldn't that be awesome? Not going to happen because we're primarily a Star Trek board, but I would still love it.

Moffat has puled back from the fans altogether, you won't be seeing him posting anywhere 'til his run is over with.

Of course, now RTD has some time on his hands...

You never know.

 

[wamdue]

RTDs will be on OG under another name slagging off Moffatt, or maybe he will join the Leisure Hive

 

[Starkers]

Fear Her is the worst episode of the new series (although even it has a few nice moments- the TARDIS having to turn around, the doctor taking charge with the squabbling people etc)

No, that honor goes to "Daleks in Manhattan"/"Evolution of the Daleks." I can tolerate "Fear Her" and "Love & Monsters" (which I, too, thought had the potential to be a brilliant episode but failed), but that two-part story made me want to pull out my hair. Very few Doctor Who stories do that to me (The Gunfighters and The Underwater Menace also fit in that category).

Almost the same here. I never got why people dislike "Fear her" so much.

BE AWARE OF SPOILERS!

Is it because the storyline 'there's a monster in the closet' is a cliché or because it isn't plausible enough? Or because the girl "captures" everyone in her pictures? Or because she is possessed by the little alien life-form? I like the analogy that they are both lonely. Also, it's quite understandable why the girl is afraid of her father and tries to compensate that by drawing a picture of him the way she sees him. .

For me its the incredibly simplistic story, the substandard acting on show from most of the guest cast, the fact it looks like it was made for CBBC (its kiddier than every episode of the Sarah Jane Adventures) the incredible similarity to the Idiot Lantern that was only a few episodes earlier...oh and the Olympics bit with the Doctor carrying the torch was cringe worthy in the extreme!

 

[Sci]

RTDs will be on OG under another name slagging off Moffatt, or maybe he will join the Leisure Hive

Unlikely. Moffat and Davies like each other and like one-another's work. There's a reason RTD offered the gig to Moffat, after all.

 

[Stevil2001]

Thanks, Sci. I'm sure no one knew that.

 

[Orac Zen]

Someone should ask the Moff to post h here. We're much nicer than the OG guys.

Oh, wouldn't that be awesome? Not going to happen because we're primarily a Star Trek board, but I would still love it.

And you wouldn't be able to permaban him, either.